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post #4831 of 5143

I wasn't serious : (

 

Japanese pitchers are also used to pitching only once every 7 day, rather than 4 or 5 days

post #4832 of 5143
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I wasn't serious : (


That seemed pretty obvious to me.

To Steve's point, my anecdotal observation has been that tricky soft-tossers tend to have a harder time maintaining dominance over extended periods of time than guys who can crank it up when they need to.
post #4833 of 5143

That Bartolo dinger is the shot of the decade. How do you top that? 

post #4834 of 5143
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That Bartolo dinger is the shot of the decade. How do you top that? 

Watch Kershaw and Bumgarner hit every game.
post #4835 of 5143
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Watch Kershaw and Bumgarner hit every game.

 

Yeah, and? This isn't just a pitcher hitting a hr. It's Bartolo Colon at 42 hitting a home run. 

post #4836 of 5143
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Yeah, and? This isn't just a pitcher hitting a hr. It's Bartolo Colon at 42 hitting a home run. 

And he plays for the Mets and you're from New York, so....I get it. A once-in-a-lifetime occurrence is more important than a pitcher who hits .240?
post #4837 of 5143
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A once-in-a-lifetime occurrence is more important than a pitcher who hits .240?

 

... yes. It's a fat old junkballer hitting a home run. If you can't understand why that is awesome than I just don't know what to say to you. 

post #4838 of 5143

You're right, it would be much more impressive if Kershaw and Bums didn't care of themselves, turned into fat slobs an then hit a home run.

post #4839 of 5143

How do you guys feel about Arrieta wanting 7y/200+mm?

 

I understand he's been absolutely amazing for 2 years, but the 4 years prior to that his ERA was 5.

 

Hes also already 30 years old, so he contract would be for years 31-38, which is going to remind me of Pujols/Howard/ARod/Sabathia level drop offs with age.

 

He's only pitched over 200 innings in a year one time. Once.

post #4840 of 5143
Too much. But someone will give it to him. Pitching is always at a premium.
post #4841 of 5143

I don't know how I feel about big contracts for older guys who are inevitably going to fall off sooner rather than later. From a player's perspective, it seems more than fair to award past performance with a big contract because they likely weren't paid enough during their prime. From a team perspective, obviously these guys are rarely good investments. As long as young guys are producing on smaller contracts I think the universe is balanced. 

post #4842 of 5143
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Too much. And someone will regret this in 5 years.
post #4843 of 5143
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I don't know how I feel about big contracts for older guys who are inevitably going to fall off sooner rather than later. From a player's perspective, it seems more than fair to award past performance with a big contract because they likely weren't paid enough during their prime. From a team perspective, obviously these guys are rarely good investments. As long as young guys are producing on smaller contracts I think the universe is balanced. 

Weren't paid enough in their primes relative to what? Arrieta is make nearly $11M this year. And while I understand your point about the player's perspective, that argument only makes sense if you're an above-expectations performer and you pretend you live in a bubble where there are no other players. Somebody like Arrieta thinks his current performance level is worth (just to pick a random number) $20M rather than $11M? Maybe he should go collect it from some of the guys who signed $4M deals, showed up at training camp fat and lazy, and have dramatically underperformed.

But the reality is that nobody expects Pujols or Arrieta or whoever to be producing at their prime levels at the back end of those deals. What's really happening is the clubs are substantially overpaying for the front end of the deal but amortizing the cost of a longer period and figuring whatever residual value they can milk out of those last years is gravy.
post #4844 of 5143
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Weren't paid enough in their primes relative to what? Arrieta is make nearly $11M this year. And while I understand your point about the player's perspective, that argument only makes sense if you're an above-expectations performer and you pretend you live in a bubble where there are no other players. Somebody like Arrieta thinks his current performance level is worth (just to pick a random number) $20M rather than $11M? Maybe he should go collect it from some of the guys who signed $4M deals, showed up at training camp fat and lazy, and have dramatically underperformed.

But the reality is that nobody expects Pujols or Arrieta or whoever to be producing at their prime levels at the back end of those deals. What's really happening is the clubs are substantially overpaying for the front end of the deal but amortizing the cost of a longer period and figuring whatever residual value they can milk out of those last years is gravy.


I wasn't talking specifically about Arrieta. More about big contracts for 30+ers in general. 

 

 

In other news, I'm very happy to be in the US for a little vacation in which I can drink Yuengling and watch a ball game at a regular hour. 

post #4845 of 5143
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I wasn't talking specifically about Arrieta. More about big contracts for 30+ers in general. 


In other news, I'm very happy to be in the US for a little vacation in which I can drink Yuengling and watch a ball game at a regular hour. 
No, I got that. Arrieta was just an example. The point was that the players could always negotiate a new CBA that provided for adjusing salaries upwards or downwards at the end of each season to match delivered value. Wonder how that would go over ....
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