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post #3631 of 5149
13 mil for a fourth outfielder...obscene
post #3632 of 5149
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Originally Posted by FENWAY View Post

13 mil for a fourth outfielder...obscene

 

What exactly is obscene about the contract? He's a 14.1 win player over the last 3 full seasons he ahs played (10, 11, and 13) going into what should be his prime. His WAR took a hit last year because he's not great in CF. If he can put up 4-5 wins this year he will have been a bargain.

 

Gardner is also a bit of an under-the-radar fan favorite around here and I'm glad to see the Yankees make a commitment to him. 

post #3633 of 5149
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

What exactly is obscene about the contract? He's a 14.1 win player over the last 3 full seasons he ahs played (10, 11, and 13) going into what should be his prime. His WAR took a hit last year because he's not great in CF. If he can put up 4-5 wins this year he will have been a bargain.

Gardner is also a bit of an under-the-radar fan favorite around here and I'm glad to see the Yankees make a commitment to him. 

not much different than the situation the Dodgers have with four solid OFs. and he's certainly a low profile guy... I'm friends with Gardner's agent, and he likes to keep it that way, although I'm sure he's happy about the contract as well! nice little 5% or so commish on that is pretty good nod[1].gif
post #3634 of 5149

He is easily my favorite player on the team and has been for a few years. I will forever resent Derek Jeter for robbing me of seeing Alex Rodriguez at SS as a Yankee. 

post #3635 of 5149
C'mon. If I asked you on Saturday to give Gardner an extension, you would have said 4 yrs 32 mil would be fair.
post #3636 of 5149
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Originally Posted by FENWAY View Post

C'mon. If I asked you on Saturday to give Gardner an extension, you would have said 4 yrs 32 mil would be fair.

Absolutely not. Gardner was a top 5 AL outfielder 2010-2011. People have this heuristic where if a guy doesn't hit for power then he can't be a valuable player. Case in point Granderson getting 4/60 despite being an inferior player to Gardner.
post #3637 of 5149
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Absolutely not. Gardner was a top 5 AL outfielder 2010-2011. People have this heuristic where if a guy doesn't hit for power then he can't be a valuable player. Case in point Granderson getting 4/60 despite being an inferior player to Gardner.

That's a STRETCH!

2010-Hits 132/BA .277/Runs 97/RBI 47
2011-Hits 132/BA .259/Runs 87/RBI 36

He did steal a lot of bases(47 & 49.)
To say that he was valuable to the Yankees is 1 thing....top 5 OF is TOTALLY another!
post #3638 of 5149
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That's a STRETCH!

2010-Hits 132/BA .277/Runs 97/RBI 47
2011-Hits 132/BA .259/Runs 87/RBI 36

He did steal a lot of bases(47 & 49.)
To say that he was valuable to the Yankees is 1 thing....top 5 OF is TOTALLY another!

 

Check it out using real metrics. This is over 2010-2011, he was injured 2012 and put up good numbers last year. 

 

WAR

Bautista 14.2

Hamilton 12.4

Holliday 11.1

Braun 11.1

Gardner 10.9

 

Def

Gardner 41.3

Young 24.5

Span 18.3

Bourn 17.8

Zobrist 17.5

post #3639 of 5149
Thread Starter 
Ter, you have honestly never had a correct opinion on any topic on sf
post #3640 of 5149

And from Nomaas

 

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It was only on February 17th when we highlighted the archaic Yankees policy of not giving out extensions. Somebody out there is listening, and today our minds were blown:

ESPN NY:

The New York Yankees and Brett Gardner have agreed to a four-year contract worth $52 million, a source confirmed to ESPN’s Buster Olney.

The deal includes a fifth-year option, according to the source.

RUN BMG was due to hit free agency after this coming season.

Our analysis: LOVE IT.

First, the front office is finally waking up and realizing that other teams are passing them by when it comes to tactics. The old “no extension policy” was just stupid.

Second, the Gardner deal is very good business. Since 2010, Gardner has been the Yankees’ most valuable position player not named Robinson Cano, totaling 14.5 WAR, and that’s with missing nearly the entire 2012 season. In fact, in every full season since 2010, he’s never been worth less than 3.2 WAR.

At an annual average salary of $13 million, the Yankees are paying Gardner to be a ~2.35 WAR player — if you assume about $5.5 million per WAR on the free agent market. In plain English, this means that this deal is not only priced well, but could end up being a nice piece of value. There’s no reason to think Gardner will be in the low-2 WARs anytime soon. Projections next season have him in the mid-3s, and players with his skillset decline relatively slowly.

We are very excited about this change in front office philosophy. This is exactly the type of stuff we’ve been wanting to see, and illustrates the power of not being completely dependent on the free agent market. You get better pricing!!

Could D-Rob be next?

post #3641 of 5149

And one last bit on Gardner

 

post #3642 of 5149
I've seen his base running...he can learn a lot from Jacoby

Funny, I don't see Jacoby on those lists and Yanks gave him 23 mil per. More obscene
post #3643 of 5149

Ells was a 5.8 win player last year. If he puts up around that again he will have earned his year's pay. 

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Rule modification intended to address concerns about home plate collisions:

Rule 7.13 Collisions at home plate

"A runner attempting to score may not deviate from his direct pathway to the plate in order to initiate contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate). If, in the judgment of the umpire, a runner attempting to score initiates contact with the catcher (or other player covering home plate) in such a manner, the umpire shall declare the runner out (even if the player covering home plate loses possession of the ball). In such circumstances, the umpire shall call the ball dead, and all other baserunners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the collision.

"Rule 7.13 comment: The failure by the runner to make an effort to touch the plate, the runner's lowering of the shoulder, or the runner's pushing through with his hands, elbows or arms, would support a determination that the runner deviated from the pathway in order to initiate contact with the catcher in violation of Rule 7.13. If the runner slides into the plate in an appropriate manner, he shall not be adjudged to have violated Rule 7.13. A slide shall be deemed appropriate, in the case of a feet first slide, if the runner's buttocks and legs should hit the ground before contact with the catcher. In the case of a head first slide, a runner shall be deemed to have slid appropriately if his body should hit the ground before contact with the catcher.

"Unless the catcher is in possession of the ball, the catcher cannot block the pathway of the runner as he is attempting to score. If, in the judgment of the umpire, the catcher without possession of the ball blocks the pathway of the runner, the umpire shall call or signal the runner safe. Notwithstanding the above, it shall not be considered a violation of this Rule 7.13 if the catcher blocks the pathway of the runner in order to field a throw, and the umpire determines that the catcher could not have fielded the ball without blocking the pathway of the runner and that contact with the runner was unavoidable."
post #3645 of 5149
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Originally Posted by FENWAY View Post

13 mil for a fourth outfielder...obscene

come on now... our red sox gave 3: 39 for shane victorino and didn't bat an eyelash. that contract, on surface, looked like it could've easily blew up in our faces.

it does make me kind of laugh at the indians shelling out even more money for nick swisher though lol8[1].gif


think about this though... lebron james makes 19million/year and will make 20mill for the next two... LOL think about that...
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