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post #3526 of 5143
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Originally Posted by Michigan Planner View Post

Well said. What a difference a few seasons make! On the flip-side though, I can see one way now how dynasties perpetuate themselves.

Time will tell how the family will spend money when the old man dies which could be any day really.

I've been hearing more and more about Ellsbury to Detroit. Who in the hell would lead off?
post #3527 of 5143
Ellsbury to the Yankees, 7 years/$153 million.

That's a big boy contract... If he performs at his skill level it's not an absurd deal, but he sure has had a shaky injury history for me to love it. And while I get you don't want to set a bad precedent with Cano, why commit the money here but not with him?
post #3528 of 5143

I'm a big fan of this deal.

 

McCann - check

Ellsbury - check

 

Cano and Tanaka and I will be happy.

post #3529 of 5143
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

I'm a big fan of this deal.

McCann - check
Ellsbury - check

Cano and Tanaka and I will be happy.

In what universe do you see the Yankees now signing Cano after handing out $85 million to McCann and $153 million to Ellsbury? That's nearly $240 million committed in free agency already, and they were already $100+ million apart from Robby before those signings. I agree if they sign him too they'll be good, but that'd be an absurd payroll, especially after supposedly trying to slim down for luxury tax trickery, even by Yankees standards.
post #3530 of 5143
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Originally Posted by staxringold View Post


In what universe do you see the Yankees now signing Cano after handing out $85 million to McCann and $153 million to Ellsbury? That's nearly $240 million committed in free agency already, and they were already $100+ million apart from Robby before those signings. I agree if they sign him too they'll be good, but that'd be an absurd payroll, especially after supposedly trying to slim down for luxury tax trickery, even by Yankees standards.

 

I don't think this will affect the money they had allotted for Cano. If anything it will make the Yankees much more attractive as a championship caliber team. I also have a feeling they are ready to nix the 189m payroll. 

post #3531 of 5143
ellsbury has been so hit or miss the whole time I've followed him. I remember my older brother in san francisco telling me I have to watch him play in AAA way back when.

when I showed up in pawtucket I called up my brother and he said: is ellsubury there? look for him, he's probably a huge black guy that can run fast!

he's really fast, but needs batters behind him to actually be effective (which was the case when pedroia 2007-2011 was in the 2 hole, or shane this year). his fielding improved - he was more flash in his early years by making up for mistakes in reading the ball with those huge diving plays, now he's settled in… like how a jason kidd eventually learned how to hit 3 pointers later in his career).

the bad part is injuries… it seems like when he's injured… he's reaaaallly injured (this year was the only time he came back strong) and loses the whole season.

i thought the yankees would try to build using younger pieces… it seems like they're perpetuating their style of relying on 30+ year olds who will be productive for only 1-2 years before regretting the shit out the contracts…
post #3532 of 5143

The Yankees used up all of their fate-allotted injuries last year so he will be fine. It's simple probability!

post #3533 of 5143
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

I'm a big fan of this deal.

McCann - check
Ellsbury - check

Cano and Tanaka and I will be happy.

Nauseating
post #3534 of 5143
Guess now the OF target is the Choo Choo Train
post #3535 of 5143
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/yankees-sign-jacoby-ellsbury-bet-on-speed-aging-well/
post #3536 of 5143

wasn't gardner basically the same player as jacoby with a massively less contract? what about the draft picks the yankees have to give up with the signing?

does that mean gardner moves to right field? then ichiro becomes a platoon player now?

it kind of feels like a move made out of spite/one-up factor on the red sox, but it became a situation where the yankees were bidding against themselves (a boras classic maneuver) where the next team probably wasn't going to give more than 5 years. but the sox weren't going to re-sign him anyway (bearing a miracle where boras accepts a 4 year offer).

damn i hope he plays well (I can't wait to see the miracle web gems he'll pull in the cavernous yankee center field), but he's averaged like 114games/season in his prime young years.

i know the yankees can "afford it", but when those injuries happen you start plugging in with players from AA, like last year and it becomes hilarious seeing the guy getting paid league minimum sitting next to arod/jeter on the bench.
post #3537 of 5143
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post


wasn't gardner basically the same player as jacoby with a massively less contract? what about the draft picks the yankees have to give up with the signing?

does that mean gardner moves to right field? then ichiro becomes a platoon player now?

 

Healthy Ellsbury is better on offense and defense than Gardner but he definitely deserves more money. I think it will mainly be Gardner, Ellsbury, and Soriano left to right. I would like to see them try and unload Wells for a prospect/draft pick and platoon Ichiro and Sori with more time for Sori. 

 

Another interesting take on this is that Scott Boras is trying to dry up the market for Cano in revenge by throwing Ellsbury and Choo at the Yankees. That's a bit too Ari Gold for me to believe though.

post #3538 of 5143

Kelly Johnson 1/2.7m. One season band aid for Cano if they can't get him?

post #3539 of 5143


Joe Nathan looking sartorially correct for the first time in his life. Welcome to the "D"!
post #3540 of 5143

I was just reading an article about McCann's pitch framing and learned that only 80% of pitches in the strike zone are called strikes per P f/x. Only 80 fucking percent? 

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