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post #2611 of 3983

Putting Vaseline on a baseball won't give you boobs. However it could lead to an increase of boobs in your hands. Also, doctoring balls teaches kids the value of being sneaky and getting one over on people to gain an advantage.

post #2612 of 3983
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Putting Vaseline on a baseball won't give you boobs. However it could lead to an increase of boobs in your hands. Also, doctoring balls teaches kids the value of being sneaky and getting one over on people to gain an advantage.

i personally used sunscreen on my forearms during my highschool pitching days (I was a lefty reliever and spot starter). you need to mix rosin/dirt with the sunscreen to make it work (which is why its more popular with darker skinned individuals).

its fun watching pitchers do their slight of hand. the most blatant one was David Wells, he just caked sun screen onto his forearms and would be rubbing both forearms throughout the later innings.

a weird one is supposedly greg maddux - I never personally noticed - who created his movement on his 2 seam fast ball by using a spitball.
post #2613 of 3983
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

i personally used sunscreen on my forearms during my highschool pitching days (I was a lefty reliever and spot starter). you need to mix rosin/dirt with the sunscreen to make it work (which is why its more popular with darker skinned individuals).

Were you actually trying to affect the surface area of the ball, then -- akin to scuffing it? With "classic" spitter it's about changing the rotation as the ball leaves your hand, not about changing the aerodynamics of the ball as such.
post #2614 of 3983

With a spitter you want the ball slippery so you can throw it hard with less spin. A good spitter behaves like a really hard thrown forkball. With scuffballs or applying something sticky to the ball you want to be able to throw hard with more spin. The latter brand of cheating pitch would explain the movement on Buchholz's 96 mph two seamers.

post #2615 of 3983
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

With a spitter you want the ball slippery so you can throw it hard with less spin. A good spitter behaves like a really hard thrown forkball. With scuffballs or applying something sticky to the ball you want to be able to throw hard with more spin. The latter brand of cheating pitch would explain the movement on Buchholz's 96 mph two seamers.

That's my understanding as well. I assumed that Lawrence was going for the second effect in his misspent youth, but was just clarifying.

And good point re Buchholz. When Morris used the term "spitter" he probably didn't intend to be so precise semantically as to distinguish #1 from #2.
post #2616 of 3983
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

Were you actually trying to affect the surface area of the ball, then -- akin to scuffing it? With "classic" spitter it's about changing the rotation as the ball leaves your hand, not about changing the aerodynamics of the ball as such.

its about grip. you can easily get away with a lot of sunscreen on the arms in highschool because you mostly play day games (where you're naturally going to wear sun screen anyway). so with the sunscreen and dirt/rosen you've got great grip. from there you can use your own sweat (by wiping the back of your head (the reason a lot of pitchers till have hair longer in the back that extends out from the bottom of the cap) to do a classic spit ball (2 or one seam fast ball that will dart down or away).

scuffing the ball involves a nail polish board or sand paper. its really hard to use that, you have to have a good routine and some real slight of hand (because you have to hide the board in the back pocket/glove). its too much work unless you use breaking pitches predominately (something you don't really see in the HS level).
post #2617 of 3983

Ball doctoring is the most charming of sports cheating because it is so wacky and victimless (not counting the hitter.) I mean Gaylord Perry used to keep Vaseline in his fly because umps wouldn't check there.

post #2618 of 3983
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Ball doctoring is the most charming of sports cheating because it is so wacky and victimless (not counting the hitter.) I mean Gaylord Perry used to keep Vaseline in his fly because umps wouldn't check there.

I agree that there's something charming about the goofiness and simplicity of it. But unless you're talking about kids damaging their health because they're trying to keep up in a PED culture, isn't most sports cheating victimless if you don't count the opponents?

Mostly just free-associating here, but remember the George Brett pine tar incident? (You have to be an old guy like me, of course, to have seen it contemporaneously.) Brett's reaction to being called out is awesome. I also remember thinking it was hilarious that Gaylord Perry of all people tried to sneak off with the bat (didn't watch enough of this clip to know if that's picked up or not).
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3977861
post #2619 of 3983
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

I agree that there's something charming about the goofiness and simplicity of it. But unless you're talking about kids damaging their health because they're trying to keep up in a PED culture, isn't most sports cheating victimless if you don't count the opponents?

Mostly just free-associating here, but remember the George Brett pine tar incident? (You have to be an old guy like me, of course, to have seen it contemporaneously.) Brett's reaction to being called out is awesome. I also remember thinking it was hilarious that Gaylord Perry of all people tried to sneak off with the bat (didn't watch enough of this clip to know if that's picked up or not).
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=3977861

 

I was getting at ball doctoring not setting a dangerous example when I said victimless. I'm definitely too young to have seen that but it is a priceless baseball moment. I wish I could have been around for Gaylord Perry. He has to be the biggest troll in baseball history.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXLmh1dG5fY
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post #2621 of 3983

Looks like Buchholz didn't have his best stuff last night rolleyes.gif

 

post #2622 of 3983
Maybe because every camera was on him. Haha.
post #2623 of 3983
Jack Morris is a hack.

He's doing this because he's jealous of Bucholz's start and the fact that the 2 teams are in the same division.

Terrible sportsmanship, and designed to fuck with a young kid's head and gain an advantage.
post #2624 of 3983

We shall see if he can hit that 96 mph two seamer now that he's under scrutiny. I have a feeling we won't see it again.

post #2625 of 3983

Back to regular baseball talk, will David Phelps replace Ivan Nova in the 5 spot? I sure hope so.

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