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feeling wordy today, eh Steve?

You like it, the words?
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There is no way Granderson is cheating. Dude is the softest goody two shoes in baseball.

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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

There is no way Granderson is cheating. Dude is the softest goody two shoes in baseball.

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IMO it's obvious with Braun. Look at the difference in physique from his rookie year to the present.

Sorta like Barry Bonds although not as pronounced. Braun is not half the ball player Barry Bonds was.
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Great. NOW the Tigers are looking for a closer. Wonderful.
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Great. NOW the Tigers are looking for a closer. Wonderful.


You know being "a closer" is not important, right?
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

You know being "a closer" is not important, right?

 

I know this is an in vogue position but look at what happened to David Robertson when they tried to make him a closer. You have to have the right nerves to go along with the stuff.

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I know this is an en vogue position but look at what happened to David Robertson when they tried to make him a closer. You have to have the right nerves to go along with the stuff.

Its more just that its a bad way of thinking about baseball. "Closers" are only put in the game in one specific moment but it ignores the fact there are 8 other innings, all of which are just as important as the 9th, and most of which are much higher leverage situations.

Put it this way, I would much rather the manager of "my team" (currently looking for one, btw) put the best reliever in for the 5th inning if, say, my team has a two-run lead, there is one runner on base, no outs, and just come to the top of the lineup and the SP is out of gas. I don't want the best reliever to only come in for the 8/9 inning to go for a made up stat.
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I think you are ignoring the fact that the 9th inning is intrinsically different than 1-8. Admittedly, I have not seen any numbers comparing players' stats in 1-8 and 9.

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I think you are ignoring the fact that the 9th inning is intrinsically different than 1-8.

Not really, but OK.
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So being the last chance doesn't make it different? As much as people would like to think otherwise, baseball is more than probability.

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So being the last chance doesn't make it different? As much as people would like to think otherwise, baseball is more than probability.

No because "the last chance" can happen at literally any point in the ball game. Vin Mazarro was the "last chance" in the fourth inning in 2011. Plenty of games are lost in the 7th inning, games are lost in the 12th inning. The batters coming up in the 9th aren't the best.

That's what you're missing. There are better places to use your "closer" than only in the final inning of the game if the team has a lead. There are far too many variables in baseball to say "well its the 9th so its more important."

In 02-04 when Gagne saved 84 consecutive games, he probably could have had a greater impact had he come in during hairy situations in the 7/8 inning but the quest for the save was an gross inefficiency in their rotation. And considering they made the playoffs once in that time frame it further suggest the unimportance of a save.
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No because "the last chance" can happen at literally any point in the ball game. Vin Mazarro was the "last chance" in the fourth inning in 2011. Plenty of games are lost in the 7th inning, games are lost in the 12th inning. The batters coming up in the 9th aren't the best.

That's what you're missing. There are better places to use your "closer" than only in the final inning of the game if the team has a lead. There are far too many variables in baseball to say "well its the 9th so its more important."

In 02-04 when Gagne saved 84 consecutive games, he probably could have had a greater impact had he come in during hairy situations in the 7/8 inning but the quest for the save was an gross inefficiency in their rotation. And considering they made the playoffs once in that time frame it further suggest the unimportance of a save.

 

This is a good point and would make an interesting strategy. I still maintain that the 9th inning is different no matter who is coming up.

 

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Why not a 2013 World Baseball Classic thread?

 

Nobody would post because 1) nobody cares about the WBC and 2) there are not enough of us baseball folks to justify another thread.

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Originally Posted by bdeuce22 View Post

Great. NOW the Tigers are looking for a closer. Wonderful.

What about Albuquerque?

What happened with Rondon?
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post

Its more just that its a bad way of thinking about baseball. "Closers" are only put in the game in one specific moment but it ignores the fact there are 8 other innings, all of which are just as important as the 9th, and most of which are much higher leverage situations.

Put it this way, I would much rather the manager of "my team" (currently looking for one, btw) put the best reliever in for the 5th inning if, say, my team has a two-run lead, there is one runner on base, no outs, and just come to the top of the lineup and the SP is out of gas. I don't want the best reliever to only come in for the 8/9 inning to go for a made up stat.


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