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2014 MLB Season Thread - Page 135

post #2011 of 3765
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Doug Fister 3.45 10-10 137Ks 1.19 .249
Madison Bumgarner 3.37 16-11 191Ks 1.11 .234
Only the ERAs and BAAs are close.

This is just a lazy comparison.

First, W-L record has been proven to be a pretty poor measure of a pitcher's performance.

Second, Bumgarner has more Ks, but he also pitched significantly more innings (47 to be exact). A better indicator is SOs/9, which shows Bumgarner with a slight lead: 8.3 to 7.6.

Third, BAA is probably not as good of an indicator as WHIP. Bumgarner's WHIP was 1.11. Fister's was 1.19. That's a difference of 0.08. Small difference that can probably be attributed to Fister facing a DH, and Bumgarner pitching in a pitcher's park.

Finally, Fister's 3.45 ERA is in the AL with a poor defensive team, while Bumgarner's 3.37 ERA is in the NL with a solid defense and a great pitcher's park. You need to look at ERA+. Fister had a 122, while Bumgarner had a 103. Frankly, ERA+ is probably the best indicator of quality of pitching, and Fister is substantially better. Moreover, the average ERA in the AL is about 0.25 higher, so Fister's ERA is even considerably more impressive than Bumgarner's, if you account for that too.

Look, I've got no dog in this fight. I could care less about either team. Fister and Bumgarner are both solid pitchers, and both bring a lot to the table. I appreciate the love for your team, but at least be honest about them.
Edited by zbromer - 10/25/12 at 6:29pm
post #2012 of 3765
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

This is just a lazy comparison.
First, W-L record has been proven to be a pretty poor measure of a pitcher's performance.
Second, Bumgarner has more Ks, but he also pitched significantly more innings (47 to be exact). A better indicator is SOs/9, which shows Bumgarner with a slight lead: 8.3 to 7.6.
Third, BAA is probably not as good of an indicator as WHIP. Bumgarner's WHIP was 1.11. Fister's was 1.19. That's a difference of 0.08. Small difference that can probably be attributed to Fister facing a DH, and Bumgarner pitching in a pitcher's park.
Finally, Fister's 3.45 ERA is in the AL with a poor defensive team, while Bumgarner's 3.37 ERA is in the NL with a solid defense and a great pitcher's park. You need to look at ERA+. Fister had a 122, while Bumgarner had a 103. Frankly, ERA+ is probably the best indicator of quality of pitching, and Fister is substantially better. Moreover, the average ERA in the AL is about 0.25 higher, so Fister's ERA is even considerably more impressive than Bumgarner's, if you account for that too.
Look, I've got no dog in this fight. I could care less about either team. Fister and Bumgarner are both solid pitchers, and both bring a lot to the table. I appreciate the love for your team, but at least be honest about them.

I despise Sabermetrics and all their ilk.

It all boils down to W-L in the end.
post #2013 of 3765
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

I despise Sabermetrics and all their ilk.
It all boils down to W-L in the end.

You can despise it all you want, but it doesn't make it not true. Actions beyond the control of a pitcher's performance have a significant impact on whether they win or lose. It's just not a good measure of how well they pitch.
post #2014 of 3765
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Originally Posted by zbromer View Post

You can despise it all you want, but it doesn't make it not true. Actions beyond the control of a pitcher's performance have a significant impact on whether they win or lose. It's just not a good measure of how well they pitch.

+1
post #2015 of 3765
2012 Tigers Cabrera looks like 2003 Marlins Cabrera in a fat suit
post #2016 of 3765
Berry will lead off in the 9th. I hope it is still only 1-0. The tension is killing me.
post #2017 of 3765
FFS, relievers walking batters...
post #2018 of 3765
Why the F are the tigers infield playing at double-play depth in a 1 run game?
post #2019 of 3765
fack! so much for my 3 to 1, tigers, call. ffffuuuu.gif
post #2020 of 3765
All this tension, and all we will get, for sure, are "Tacos for America".
post #2021 of 3765
Absolutely flat.
post #2022 of 3765
2 Hits 2-0

Here Kitty Kitty
post #2023 of 3765
Our only hope is to win all three games in the "D". The weather for these games will be dry, but extremely cold for fall.
post #2024 of 3765
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Originally Posted by clarinetplayer View Post

Our only hope is to win all three games in the "D". The weather for these games will be dry, but extremely cold for fall.
Vogelsang and Cain. Doesn't get any easier.
post #2025 of 3765
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

2 Hits 2-0
Here Kitty Kitty

lol, you really are enjoying this, arent you?
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