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post #106 of 1322
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post


I think they go to like, South Florida or something, I don't know. At least it isn't NAIA.

So there is more realignment talk... aTm for SEC, and a rumor that was pretty thoroughly rejected that FSU would as well. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6857085/texas-system-board-regents-calls-special-meeting-monday-discuss-conference-alignment

ETA: What I don't get is why, instead of joining another conference, don't these teams form a new one? I guess there are BCS implications, difficulty in starting a new T.V. contract etc.

It sounds like A&M to the SEC is almost certainly going to happen. If it does there'll also be a 14th team, and I'm curious to see who it is.

That said, I'm not convinced it's the best idea.
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

Miami. Lol.

They are so very, very screwed.

Yahoo's article
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A University of Miami booster, incarcerated for his role in a $930 million Ponzi scheme, has told Yahoo! Sports he provided thousands of impermissible benefits to at least 72 athletes from 2002 through 2010.

In 100 hours of jailhouse interviews during Yahoo! Sports’ 11-month investigation, Hurricanes booster Nevin Shapiro described a sustained, eight-year run of rampant NCAA rule-breaking, some of it with the knowledge or direct participation of at least seven coaches from the Miami football and basketball programs. At a cost that Shapiro estimates in the millions of dollars, he said his benefits to athletes included but were not limited to cash, prostitutes, entertainment in his multimillion-dollar homes and yacht, paid trips to high-end restaurants and nightclubs, jewelry, bounties for on-field play (including bounties for injuring opposing players), travel and, on one occasion, an abortion.
post #107 of 1322
How are the Dogs lookin' this year?
post #108 of 1322
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

They are so very, very screwed.

Yahoo's article

Miami. In the photos in the Yahoo article that booster looks like 1000% Grade-A creep.

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FB, BB coaches and Donna Shalala involved??? That school deserves the SMU death penalty.
post #109 of 1322
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

How are the Dogs lookin' this year?

I'm cautiously optimistic.

The QB is experienced, and he's possibly the best in the SEC. This year's recruiting class was huge, and there's a real possibility we'll see some big contributions from a couple guys in it (Crowell being the most important piece). Plus, the defense has had a year in the 3-4, and a couple of recruiting classes to fill it out.

It also helps that the other traditional SEC East powers, UF and UT, are down/rebuilding.

On the other hand, this is, in a lot of ways, still fundamentally the same team that went 6-7 last year, and it lost A.J. Green.

My guess has been that it's either 6-6 or 9-3/10-2 at the end of the season. I don't think there's a seven-or-eight-win middle ground. It's either they suck or they're good.

If I had to bet right now, my money is on this being a resurgence year for the Dawgs. There's a lot of buzz around the program, and if they can find a spark it could be a really special season. That said, putting aside my fandom, I wouldn't be completely shocked if the malaise from the last couple of years continues.
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Originally Posted by venessian View Post


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FB, BB coaches and Donna Shalala involved??? That school deserves the SMU death penalty.

If it's really as extensive as it sounds, it's hard to imagine a scenario where Miami isn't absolutely hammered by the NCAA. I don't know about the death penalty, but it seems they'd get close.
post #110 of 1322
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Originally Posted by MrG View Post

If it's really as extensive as it sounds, it's hard to imagine a scenario where Miami isn't absolutely hammered by the NCAA. I don't know about the death penalty, but it seems they'd get close.

Yes of course it all needs to be verified, but I think those Yahoo reports generally are accurate.
If Shalala knew? She's in one of the photos, standing next to Shapiro, holding a $50,000 check, grinning. That itself doesn't prove anything, but if she's tied to it, a university president of her reputation + the length/extent of the purported violations + the fact the school was recently coming off of previous troubles, etc.... I think the death penalty could definitely be in play.
post #111 of 1322
Oh give me a break. They'll get probation for a few years, elimination from bowl games for the same period of time, and then it'll be back to normal. Its not like this shit doesn't go on at every football powerhouse anyway. And, if Shalala gets fired, all the better. Give Golden a nice clean slate to work with. The program needs a reboot anyway.
post #112 of 1322
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Oh give me a break. They'll get probation for a few years, elimination from bowl games for the same period of time, and then it'll be back to normal. Its not like this shit doesn't go on at every football powerhouse anyway. And, if Shalala gets fired, all the better. Give Golden a nice clean slate to work with. The program needs a reboot anyway.

More 7-5 seasons?
post #113 of 1322
^ Only if they re-hire Butch Davis. Remember when UMiami fired Larry Coker after multiple nine and ten win seasons? That's the violation they ought to be looking at.
post #114 of 1322
Instead of giving out the death penalty, the NCAA should make Miami hire Terry Bowden. The wins will vacate themselves.
post #115 of 1322
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post


More 7-5 seasons?

Probably 6-6. The only reason the U was great was all the south Florida thugs. Now that they all play for UF, its just not the same.
post #116 of 1322
I'm shocked Shalala was involved. Honestly, I thought she had decided to de-emphasize football at the school and try to clean up its image and focus on academics. I mean, if she was risking her career and reputation to win at all costs, she sure as hell didn't do a very good job. Miami's sucked lately. But why the hell am I giving UM the benefit of the doubt? Worst] fans in college football and now a shitty football team. Can't wait to break Jacory Harris in half this year at Doak. Fuck 'em.
post #117 of 1322
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Originally Posted by venessian View Post


Yes of course it all needs to be verified, but I think those Yahoo reports generally are accurate.
If Shalala knew? She's in one of the photos, standing next to Shapiro, holding a $50,000 check, grinning. That itself doesn't prove anything, but if she's tied to it, a university president of her reputation + the length/extent of the purported violations + the fact the school was recently coming off of previous troubles, etc.... I think the death penalty could definitely be in play.
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Originally Posted by FLMountainMan View Post

I'm shocked Shalala was involved. Honestly, I thought she had decided to de-emphasize football at the school and try to clean up its image and focus on academics. I mean, if she was risking her career and reputation to win at all costs, she sure as hell didn't do a very good job. Miami's sucked lately. But why the hell am I giving UM the benefit of the doubt? Worst] fans in college football and now a shitty football team. Can't wait to break Jacory Harris in half this year at Doak. Fuck 'em.

Maybe I missed something - the Yahoo article was long and I did a fair bit of skimming - but I didn't see anything about Shalala being involved. The only reference to her was the fact that she took a big check from the shady Ponzi guy. Yes, she took the check, and yes, it was Ponzi money, but that's not the same as being involved in major NCAA violations. She can't vet every dollar that comes in, and, as a university president (especially a private university), you better damn well grin and say "thank you" when someone gives you $50,000.

I don't doubt that a lot of the stuff with the players and coaches is true, but right now it seems pretty tenuous to connect Shalala to everything.
post #118 of 1322
Thread Starter 
All that cheating and the basketball team was awful? Lol. I net a dude who played sports at cincy just before they got the hammer. Told me a story of pure college genius cheating (nothing bad) that they did. Will ahare when at a pc
post #119 of 1322
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post

Instead of giving out the death penalty, the NCAA should make Miami hire Terry Bowden. The wins will vacate themselves.

ROFL!!

I, too, would be shocked if Shalala were involved. I always thought the U presidency was just a vacation for her until some bigger position opened up. As the former Secretary of HHS, she has very little to gain if UM football wins big and everything to lose from involvement in NCAA violations.
post #120 of 1322
un-fucking-real
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Dee, you may recall, was the Committee on Infractions chairman for USC's much-publicized case last summer involving former stars Reggie Bush and O.J. Mayo. It was Dee who, in announcing some of the stiffest penalties of the last 20 years (a two-year bowl ban and 30 docked scholarships), closed with the preachy reminder that "high-profile athletes demand high-profile compliance."

Dee, Miami's AD during most of the period covering Shapiro's allegations, is retired and no longer under NCAA jurisdiction. Still, it seems only fair he should spend a day at USC's Heritage Hall wearing a sandwich board with the word "Hypocrite."

See if this sounds familiar: "We didn't have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this. He didn't do anything to cause concern."

I'm fairly certain I heard Pete Carroll say something to that effect, repeatedly, about Bush's time at USC. He insisted there's no way he or anyone else at the school could have known that Bush's parents were living the high life in San Diego -- a defense Dee and his committee sharply rebuked.

But no, those were the words of Dee himself, Tuesday, to the Palm Beach Post, in regards to Shapiro's allegations. Seriously. The same guy whose committee lamented the access outsiders had to the Trojans' locker room and sidelines also told the Post that, " [Shapiro] would come by, ask to go out to practice and we would send one of our staffers to accompany him."

You can't make this stuff up.

In seriousness, the USC and Miami cases do share much in common, starting with the fact Yahoo!'s impeccable investigative ace, Charles Robinson, broke both stories. The amounts of documentation and eyewitness corroboration that accompany Shapiro's allegations make them nearly impossible to refute.

Both involve glamour programs in large, pro-dominated cities that tend to attract rich bandwagon hangers-on. Some, like Will Ferrell at USC, just like to watch football. Others, like Shapiro, covet the adulation of athletic 19-year-olds.

Both involve figures that tried to haphazardly get in on the sports-representation business. Unlike Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels, who never did get that payday endorsement deal from Bush, Shapiro apparently succeeded, briefly, using his connections and wads of cash to sway former Hurricanes Vince Wilfork and Jon Beason to a sports agency he co-owned.

(Can we stop here for a second and take that one in? Two Miami players signed with an agency partly owned by one of its own boosters. If there were no other allegation in the entire report, that one on its own would make headlines.)

And now, here's where the two cases differed: USC's involved one football (Bush) and one basketball (Mayo) player. Yahoo's report implicates 73 athletes over an eight-year span, though Shapiro claims he gave impermissible benefits to 72.

The bagmen in the USC case did most of their dirty work in San Diego, far from the campus itself. Shapiro was an active Miami booster, so coveted for his donations he got to lead the team out of the tunnel, sit in the press box on game days, and had a lounge named in his honor.

And for all the hubbub over the Bush case, at the end of the day, USC gained no competitive advantage in football due to its running back's extra benefits. Miami, on the other hand, had assistant coaches allegedly arranging for recruits to meet Shapiro on their visits. On the basketball side, he allegedly paid $10,000 in 2007 explicitly to land a recruit, DeQuan Jones.

If USC got a two-year bowl ban and 30 docked scholarships, what should Miami get for an encyclopedia of allegations so tawdry as to make USC look like a bubble-gum shoplifter? Can you ban a team from the postseason for a decade? Can you take away 90 scholarships? Not likely. All that's seemingly left is the biggie -- the death penalty -- and it's entirely possible: Miami qualifies as a repeat violator for any violations before Feb. 27, 2008, stemming from it mid-90s Pell Grant scandal. But the NCAA hasn't gone there in 25 years.
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