These are hard to find vintage shell PTB's. IME harder to find than vintage longwings. Hanover Signature was a premier maker back in the day, equivalent to Florsheim Royal Imperial. Made in USA baby! these are in very good shape. check out the heels, barely worn. soles are hard all over. classic burgundy shell I added some nice laces on to these, these aren't even used Size 9C, though I don't think these fit all that narrow. I am an 8.5 E / 9D and can wear these with thin socks. if you are a longer 8.5D or not a wide 9D, perfect. I got these thanks to a heads up on SF, just passing along the deal $99 shipped now moved to ebay here some pics in a group shot (before I switched the laces) and alone: 
