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Did anybody feel the romance between Superman and Lois was really forced? There was no time for them to build up any sort of real spark....Hell, Toby Maguire and Snaggletooth in Spiderman had more of a connection than them.
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Did anybody feel the romance between Superman and Lois was really forced? There was no time for them to build up any sort of real spark....Hell, Toby Maguire and Snaggletooth in Spiderman had more of a connection than them.

I disagree entirely. I think that the romance was quite natural and understated. He did save her life multiple times. Girls kinda like that. You could see in her eyes when he was opening up her escape pod, and when he was taking off from the Air Force base that she was in love with him. The kiss didn't feel forced to me as much as a believable cathartic moment for them.
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Went yesterday to watch it. Really enjoyed watching such an action packed movie. A superhero like Sups deserves/needs enemies like that to challenge him. I still remember how pretty much nothing happened in the last superman movie, except from Lex stabbing Sups with kryptonite, him almost fainting and then lifting a huge rock, with Kryptonite sticking out everywhere, and throwing it out into space. Even though it lasts quite a while, it´s needed to give Krypton, his childhood, him becoming superman and all the rest the necessary time to tell it well. Henry Cavill is a pretty good superman (I don´t get why some complained about his character being too serious). I wish ZodMichael Shannon had been a little bit more scary/menacing as Zod. Looks wise he was perfect, but sometimes when he spoke I didn´t feel what I was expecting from him.

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it wasn't bad, but the action was overkill. did anyone else say "wtf" when superman tackled zod through a oil tanker and then a gas station, both of which exploded?? and the gas station had people and cars in it too. why did he drag them to a small town instead of fighting them on a large field?? just seemed very careless and inconsiderate of all the innocent bystandards. there were just too many explosions, too much destruction, and the fight scenes just seemed to drag on and on with nothing special. i would understand if superman had been around for a while, but he caused way too much damage for his first time introducing himself to the world. i really wanted to not believe the critics, but after watching it i can understand why they gave such low ratings.

I think it was a great film, but agree with this re: the fight scenes. Firstly, there was far too much destruction. Secondly, the characters felt far too invulnerable, and that really negated a lot of the tension in the film. The grass was watching the elephants fight. If, however, Superman was actively trying to stop collateral damage (property and life) by throwing himself in front of debris and rescuing bystanders while getting pummeled by Zod, it would've gone a long way to making him feel more vulnerable, the action more tense.

It's cracking me up to see Duff Man and Dark Knight arguing about why Superman is so lame. No way you guys have a dog in this hunt, amiright?

In all honesty, though, I've always hated Superman, because when you get right down to it, being completely invulnerable is boring as shit, so much so that they had to invent a ridiculously lame weakness. The only thing in the universe that can defeat this demi-god is...a rock?!?
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It's cracking me up to see Duff Man and Dark Knight arguing about why Superman is so lame. No way you guys have a dog in this hunt, amiright?

In all honesty, though, I've always hated Superman, because when you get right down to it, being completely invulnerable is boring as shit, so much so that they had to invent a ridiculously lame weakness. The only thing in the universe that can defeat this demi-god is...a rock?!?

Nope. he is extremely weak against magic and overwhelming power, he died out of sheer strength against Doomsday.
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It's cracking me up to see Duff Man and Dark Knight arguing about why Superman is so lame. No way you guys have a dog in this hunt, amiright?

lol, nah man, i like superman. i've been hyping about this movie for a long time. no one will ever be as cool as batman but i grew up watching those superman cartoons like everyday. i enjoyed the movie but i'm just sayin, i think it could've been better if they didn't over do the fast high flying explosive action sequences. compare neo vs smith in the first matrix to neo vs smith in the second and third matrix. the second and third were boring because it was missing all the tension from the first. too much flying around, too many special effects, just two equals with immense strength going all out and, as mafoofan put it, totally lacking emotional, dramatic tension and just ultimately falling flat. exactly like superman vs zod. at least in the matrix the world they were destroying was fake, but with superman it was like "dude, wtf?! did you really just blow up a gas station with people in it just to tackle down zod??" and i don't buy the whole "this was a learning experience for him" excuse. according to who? did the director or writer say that? there was zero hint of that in the movie. there wasn't a single scene where he looked back and reflected on all the damage he caused. i didn't see any remorse from him at all. you have no idea what snyder plans to do next. sounds like some fanboy excuse to defend their favorite superhero tongue.gif
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haha

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It's cracking me up to see Duff Man and Dark Knight arguing about why Superman is so lame. No way you guys have a dog in this hunt, amiright?

I'm actually distantly related to Superman :/
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. Same with killing Zod, that isn't him but it was a mistake he could learn from.



Christopher Reeves' Superman also killed Zod in Superman 2. He did it with a smile on his face also, while Cavill's clearly looked hurt by his actions.
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Did anybody feel the romance between Superman and Lois was really forced? There was no time for them to build up any sort of real spark....Hell, Toby Maguire and Snaggletooth in Spiderman had more of a connection than them.

Agreed - the scene with the kiss came off as really out of place, and it wouldn't have hurt the movie at all to cut it. They should have saved the romance angle for the next one, when the two of them spend more time together to develop something.
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So I enjoyed it but it had its flaws. At times I thought too much was borrowed from other movies, the two I can think of are the genesis pool looked an awful lot like the Matrix and whichever one of the Alien films had that and when Clark was a kid saving the bus that score was directly lifted from The Natural.

The dialogue was pretty clunky and they never failed to insert large chunks of it.

Cavill just is not a good actor.

Russel Crowe was awful. I'm going to have this vaguely bored, mopey teenager-goth scowl on my face the whole time. Oh, and my contract stipulates that I have to be on screen all the time.

As others said, Costner did excellent as did Diane Lane. Both really helped to show how alien he was to this world and gave Clark the depth that neither the writing nor Cavill's acting could (that said he came into his role at the end.)

The representation of Americana was a little cliche (and holy hell, how hokey was that line with the General at the end. "I'm from Kansas. How much more American can you get?" I half-expected his response to be "awwww shucks.")

The origin was pretty neat except for explaining the codex. More of Jor-El and Zod's backstory.

They set the sequels up for several interesting story lines so it'll be interested to see where they go.

Overall it was good, nowhere near the same punch as Nolan's Batman which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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I didn't mind the Americana at all. Superman is essentially (for better or worse) an American hero. Taking that away from the Superman character really destroys a lot of who he is.

While the USA isn't the hottest place in the world right now, if they bend it back towards 1940s-60s America, as in Supes trying to help America back to a better place because of the ideals instilled in him by Jonathan and Martha, I think that would be a great twist.
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Awesome, thanks for posting that.

Really hope this film just opens up the DC world and goes on to produce a Flash and WW films and a good GL sequel. Then a good Batman reboot (no new origins) and then Worlds Finest film that leads to the JLA.

Get it together DC/WB!
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