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post #751 of 847
it wasn't bad, but the action was overkill. did anyone else say "wtf" when superman tackled zod through a oil tanker and then a gas station, both of which exploded?? and the gas station had people and cars in it too. why did he drag them to a small town instead of fighting them on a large field?? just seemed very careless and inconsiderate of all the innocent bystandards. there were just too many explosions, too much destruction, and the fight scenes just seemed to drag on and on with nothing special. i would understand if superman had been around for a while, but he caused way too much damage for his first time introducing himself to the world. i really wanted to not believe the critics, but after watching it i can understand why they gave such low ratings.
Edited by darkknight - 6/16/13 at 7:48pm
post #752 of 847
I am watching the Donner Superman right now.

So hokey. But in a good way too.

I advise re watching this before criticizing MoS.
post #753 of 847
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Originally Posted by darkknight View Post

it wasn't bad, but the action was overkill. did anyone else say "wtf" when superman tackled zod through a oil tanker and then a gas station, both of which exploded?? and the gas station had people and cars in it too. why did he drag them to a small town instead of fighting them on a large field?? just seemed very careless and inconsiderate of all the innocent bystandards. there were just too many explosions, too much destruction, and the fight scenes just seemed to drag on and on with nothing special. i would understand if superman had been around for a while, but he caused way too much damage for his first time introducing himself to the world. i really wanted to not believe the critics, but after watching it i can understand why they gave such low ratings.

I think it was a great film, but agree with this re: the fight scenes. Firstly, there was far too much destruction. Secondly, the characters felt far too invulnerable, and that really negated a lot of the tension in the film. The grass was watching the elephants fight. If, however, Superman was actively trying to stop collateral damage (property and life) by throwing himself in front of debris and rescuing bystanders while getting pummeled by Zod, it would've gone a long way to making him feel more vulnerable, the action more tense.
post #754 of 847
That's a good point. I kept thinking "Man they are really obliterating the entire city, they're going to hate super man!"

I caught the Lexcorp easter egg but missed the Wayne Enterprises one. I think because I was sitting a little too close to the screen.
post #755 of 847
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I really liked the first 90 minutes but agree that the action towards the end got a little tired. Impressive FX to be sure but a little overblown. I also thought the way Zod died was kind of lame - after all of that and you break the guys neck?
post #756 of 847
Not enough dramatic tension in the action and fight scenes. Supes spends too much time fighting a giant, faceless machine. Fragmented flashback approach saps all satisfaction out of the origin story. Totally anticlimactic. Russell Crowe obviously demanded significant screen time in a way that adds nothing to the movie. Amy Adams is a little old for Lois Lane--and I hate to say it, but she needs to lose some weight. Also, her action scenes made no sense plot-wise. I blame political correctness for forcing her into a more action-oriented, semi-heroine role. What the fuck is wrong with a good, spunky damsel in distress from time to time?

Ultimately, entertaining enough but could be much improved. Better than the trash that is the Iron Man franchise, but not even close to Nolan's Batman. Cavill is a good Superman, though.
Edited by mafoofan - 6/17/13 at 6:55am
post #757 of 847
Reading the IMDB trivia, I was unaware prior that Cavill was also under consideration to be Nolan's Bruce Wayne.
post #758 of 847
I agree with Foo - a really good Superman. I thought he pulled it off better than Bale did Batman.
post #759 of 847
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Reading the IMDB trivia, I was unaware prior that Cavill was also under consideration to be Nolan's Bruce Wayne.

And he was also in contention for Superman Returns and James Bond that Daniel Craig got.
post #760 of 847
I love the action in this film, I just think a Superman film has to be over the top, like actually seeing the most powerful hero out there fight with someone who can stand toe to toe with him. It's like the polar opposite of SR where Supes biggest feat was carrying a giant mass of land.


The destruction and him being not the "Clark" we all know gets a pass at me, this is his origin story, he can learn from it. Like people complaining that Cavills Clark wasn't clumsy or a bit charming or fun but the thing is that is what Kal does to differ himself from Superman when he is already the Daily Planet Clark. In this film, he didn't need to be that bumbling man that people would consider least as Superman. He was a wanderer through out the whole film and had no attachment to anyone or anything so pretending or trying to hide who he really is wasn't a priority.
post #761 of 847
Having an equally powerful opponent is fine. Lots of action is fine. But it is not fine to totally lack emotional, dramatic tension. Superman has a very personal bone to pick with Zod, above and beyond Zod simply being dangerous to humanity. Yet, the fights all fall flat. The whole movie is anticlimactic wherever it is ripe for climax.
post #762 of 847
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....If, however, Superman was actively trying to stop collateral damage (property and life) by throwing himself in front of debris and rescuing bystanders while getting pummeled by Zod, it would've gone a long way to making him feel more vulnerable, the action more tense.

exactly. it was like he had no weaknesses at all. just go all out and do all that's necessary to defeat the villain without giving a damn about the city or people he's ultimately trying to save.
post #763 of 847
Well to be fair he did face a villain he never encountered before, someone who can take his hits but could also hurt him. He can either stop them at all cause or try to save everyone. I mean really, that is just nit picking. Accept the fact that he is alone and outnumbered and yes he was a bit reckless but he was more focused on stopping the villains than picking up every single citizen and flying them to safety.

Could he have lured them away? Maybe? They do have military experience while Kal/Clark doesn't so they might know or not what he is up to.

Overall, like I said this is an origin film. He doesn't have to be that perfect Superman right away, he is still learning he needs and the consequences in his actions. It wasn't touched up on but it might be in the sequel (which is already being fast tracked for a 2014 release, stupid WB/DC). Same with killing Zod, that isn't him but it was a mistake he could learn from. This origin film is also to adapt for this generation because frankly people just sees Superman as boring being a Big Blue Boy Scout with all the powers he need to beat the villain, that is most peoples complain and why they love Batman and hate Superman.

I see it as a learning experience for him before going the goody too shoes route but we shall see.
post #764 of 847
I think a big part of his development into "Superman Proper" will be reflecting on all the destruction in Metropolis. Also people may be outraged w/ Supes and that's why he'll try to distinguish himself more with a more traditional "Clark" persona.

This Superman, at the end of MoS, is still not the finished product.
post #765 of 847
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This Superman, at the end of MoS, is still not the finished product.

 

Agreed. I think Snyder knew he was going to at least get a sequel out of this, so he had plans to make films that reflect Superman's journey (similar to Nolan's Bruce Wayne/Batman).

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