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post #571 of 2469
Not that Im defending their position to move production overseas, if they really have a much higher demand than the UK factory can supply then what else are they supposed to do?
post #572 of 2469
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Originally Posted by Dave_SFU View Post

Not that Im defending their position to move production overseas, if they really have a much higher demand than the UK factory can supply then what else are they supposed to do?

Expand their operations in the UK and hire more UK labor, paying them a wage that's in line with the prices they charge.

We all know why they outsource to countries like china, Romania, Tunisia...because overhead/labor is cheaper.
Still, they're going to charge full whack for a coat that now costs a fraction of what it used to cost to produce?
That sucks.

Waxed outwear is a pretty niche market.
I think they're experiencing higher demand in their synthetics range.

I'd be happy if they quit screwing around by diluting their classic line with crap fabrics.
post #573 of 2469
I just received the To Ki To Sports Jacket. This thing is amazing - probably the sweetest jacket I've ever owned. The detailing is amazing - when I tried it on before I didn't notice the extent of the leather detailing and trim. The only (slight) downside I can see is the "tunic" style collar. There are a load of buttons to deal with which might be a bit of a hassle during the winter. It is seriously nice though - absolutely no regrets.

In regards to the comments above, I searched this thing like crazy and couldn't find any indication of where it was made so I've emailed Barbour to find out, purely out of my own curiosity.
post #574 of 2469
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Originally Posted by MrSmith View Post

very sad to hear they have compromised their quality and are chasing $$$ by subbing out :(
 

I don't see why, by outsourcing they are comopromising the quality of the jacket. If they keep the same quality control with regards to their outsourced jackets as the ones they make in south shields then no reduction in quality should be noticed. It is, of course about the money, but again to build a new factory is a very, very expensive undertaking never mind the tooling required and Barbour may feel that they would not make enough money per coat produced by this factory to make it worthwhile.

 

If the heritage bubble bursts, and there is already signs of this in the UK with more attention being paid to brands like veilance, Barbour could be left with a massive white elephant which would do them no good except be a financial drain which they could not afford. 

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Originally Posted by zazaza View Post


Expand their operations in the UK and hire more UK labor, paying them a wage that's in line with the prices they charge.
We all know why they outsource to countries like china, Romania, Tunisia...because overhead/labor is cheaper.
Still, they're going to charge full whack for a coat that now costs a fraction of what it used to cost to produce?
That sucks.
Waxed outwear is a pretty niche market.
I think they're experiencing higher demand in their synthetics range.
I'd be happy if they quit screwing around by diluting their classic line with crap fabrics.

 

Again for my take on the first part see my response above. I would also challenge the wax outerwear being a niche market. It maybe is in the states but in the UK every seconfd person is now wearing a barbour and many of those are waxed. It has been said by many over here in the UK, including my brother who is a keen fly fisherman and has worn barbour for years in that original design capacity, that the quality of materials was suffering long before this move to overseas manufacturing. I would end by saying that I too would like barbour to be a truely British brand using British materials and British labour but for an excellent alternative I have looked towards Private White VC for that.

post #575 of 2469
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very sad to hear they have compromised their quality and are chasing $$$ by subbing out frown.gif

 
I don't see why, by outsourcing they are comopromising the quality of the jacket. If they keep the same quality control with regards to their outsourced jackets as the ones they make in south shields then no reduction in quality should be noticed. It is, of course about the money, but again to build a new factory is a very, very expensive undertaking never mind the tooling required and Barbour may feel that they would not make enough money per coat produced by this factory to make it worthwhile.

If the heritage bubble bursts, and there is already signs of this in the UK with more attention being paid to brands like veilance, Barbour could be left with a massive white elephant which would do them no good except be a financial drain which they could not afford. 
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Originally Posted by zazaza View Post

Expand their operations in the UK and hire more UK labor, paying them a wage that's in line with the prices they charge.

We all know why they outsource to countries like china, Romania, Tunisia...because overhead/labor is cheaper.

Still, they're going to charge full whack for a coat that now costs a fraction of what it used to cost to produce?

That sucks.

Waxed outwear is a pretty niche market.

I think they're experiencing higher demand in their synthetics range.

I'd be happy if they quit screwing around by diluting their classic line with crap fabrics.

Again for my take on the first part see my response above. I would also challenge the wax outerwear being a niche market. It maybe is in the states but in the UK every seconfd person is now wearing a barbour and many of those are waxed. It has been said by many over here in the UK, including my brother who is a keen fly fisherman and has worn barbour for years in that original design capacity, that the quality of materials was suffering long before this move to overseas manufacturing. I would end by saying that I too would like barbour to be a truely British brand using British materials and British labour but for an excellent alternative I have looked towards Private White VC for that.

Isn't the Private White VC brand made in one of the factories that makes/made Barbour?
Those Private White jackets look nice but they're nearly twice the price of the Barbours.
post #576 of 2469
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post


Isn't the Private White VC brand made in one of the factories that makes/made Barbour?
Those Private White jackets look nice but they're nearly twice the price of the Barbours.

I honestly couldn't tell you if it is or not. I do know that cooper and stollbrand (the owners of Private White VC) make, or made, outerwear for many other brands but I am unsure if they made barbours. 

post #577 of 2469
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Originally Posted by Kuznetsov View Post

I don't see why, by outsourcing they are comopromising the quality of the jacket. If they keep the same quality control with regards to their outsourced jackets as the ones they make in south shields then no reduction in quality should be noticed. It is, of course about the money, but again to build a new factory is a very, very expensive undertaking never mind the tooling required and Barbour may feel that they would not make enough money per coat produced by this factory to make it worthwhile.

If the heritage bubble bursts, and there is already signs of this in the UK with more attention being paid to brands like veilance, Barbour could be left with a massive white elephant which would do them no good except be a financial drain which they could not afford. 

Again for my take on the first part see my response above. I would also challenge the wax outerwear being a niche market. It maybe is in the states but in the UK every seconfd person is now wearing a barbour and many of those are waxed. It has been said by many over here in the UK, including my brother who is a keen fly fisherman and has worn barbour for years in that original design capacity, that the quality of materials was suffering long before this move to overseas manufacturing. I would end by saying that I too would like barbour to be a truely British brand using British materials and British labour but for an excellent alternative I have looked towards Private White VC for that.

+1. There is a big misconception in consumers' minds about production in other countries. Briefly:

1. In US/ UK nobody wants to work in a garment factory = no workers
2. Garment manufacturing productivity is low in developed countries
3. The cost does not decrease to a fraction by moving production to other countries
4. ALL retailers and brands are facing margin pressure
5. Quality control must be in place for a brand like Barbour to be able to shift production seamlessly
post #578 of 2469
First time poster in this thread. Been looking for a wax jacket in general and yesterday I tried on :

Barbour Bourne Camo Waxed Jacket



Great fit but it retailed for like 399.00 CAD at Club Monaco. Part of their heritage brand and most likely Made in China. I will wait till it hits sale to grab. But yeah I couldn't pay retail for a jacket like that.
post #579 of 2469
Hey, I was wondering where you found that Made in Tunisia tag? I was looking at mine but didn't see anything!
post #580 of 2469
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Originally Posted by poorman View Post

Hey, I was wondering where you found that Made in Tunisia tag? I was looking at mine but didn't see anything!

In the past all of my barbours have said "made in england" on the satin tag thats on the inside collar of the jacket. (The giant one that says "Barbour")

On the international I just received the barbour tag is there, but it doesn't say made in england.

Instead, if you look in the inside breast pocket you'll find a white tag that states the model of the jacket (I think all barbours have this)

on the reverse of the white tag it says "made in Tunisia"
post #581 of 2469

Are there any short guys here? I am 5'7'' and 120 lbs and want to buy the Bedale jacket, but very unsure about the sizing.

Should I go for 30'' or 32''?

 

How should the fit of the jacket be? Slim or loose?

post #582 of 2469
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Originally Posted by Dingusberry View Post

Are there any short guys here? I am 5'7'' and 120 lbs and want to buy the Bedale jacket, but very unsure about the sizing.
Should I go for 30'' or 32''?

How should the fit of the jacket be? Slim or loose?

I tried on the 30" with your exact body specs and it fit wonderfully. If you want the traditional Barbour fit, go up to a 32".
post #583 of 2469
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Originally Posted by y7bbb6 View Post


I tried on the 30" with your exact body specs and it fit wonderfully. If you want the traditional Barbour fit, go up to a 32".

Finally someone in my size and my body measurements. I think I want a slimmer look, because I am pretty skinny and short, and it would look weird if I go for a roomier fit. 

post #584 of 2469
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Originally Posted by poorman View Post

Hey, I was wondering where you found that Made in Tunisia tag? I was looking at mine but didn't see anything!

In the past all of my barbours have said "made in england" on the satin tag thats on the inside collar of the jacket. (The giant one that says "Barbour")

On the international I just received the barbour tag is there, but it doesn't say made in england.

Instead, if you look in the inside breast pocket you'll find a white tag that states the model of the jacket (I think all barbours have this)

on the reverse of the white tag it says "made in Tunisia"

I just received my International from Bloomingdale's. Thanks for the heads up.

FWIW, mine was made in England.

It's also by far the waxiest feeling, funky smelling wax cotton jacket I've ever got. Tried it on wearing a short sleeve shirt and now my arms feel kind of sticky despite the sleeve lining. For comparison, I've got a couple Belstaffs and a Barbour Beafort wax cotton jackets. None of them were anywhere near as stenchy when new as this thing.
I'm going to need to air this thing out for a while.
post #585 of 2469
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Originally Posted by zippyh View Post

I just received my International from Bloomingdale's. Thanks for the heads up.
FWIW, mine was made in England.
It's also by far the waxiest feeling, funky smelling wax cotton jacket I've ever got. Tried it on wearing a short sleeve shirt and now my arms feel kind of sticky despite the sleeve lining. For comparison, I've got a couple Belstaffs and a Barbour Beafort wax cotton jackets. None of them were anywhere near as stenchy when new as this thing.
I'm going to need to air this thing out for a while.

I was surprised my jacket didn't smell. I always read about that wax smell being noticeable. Also, the Made in Tunisia jacket still feels like a quality jacket, I've never handled a Made in England jacket but there isn't anything that makes it feel less.

I'm returning my jacket though, it just isn't for me. Does anyone want dibs on a 42?
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