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post #91 of 166
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Originally Posted by Augusto86 View Post
I guess this is the important bit here, really. I've read Herodotus and a number of other sources on Thermopylae(ok, not in the Greek), so I can at least distinguish somewhat between "myth" and "reality." The vast majority of the comic-book fans and fratboys who go to see this - probably not. So I can see that people who feel invested in the battle as part of their heritage might see it as pernicious.

At the same time - do you see Chinese people complaining that because of Hero and Crouching Tiger, people expect them to be able to fly? (Nevermind the creepy nationalism of Hero, that's another story). People can tell the difference between fiction and myth, and this is a pretty mythic depiction.

Whatever. Not important really - it's just funny because I'm having a similar debate with my roommate. Apparently this movie is very polarizing even though it's just out.

All you have to do to understand his point is to imagine Perl Harbor (or any other event) made into a preposterous comic book and then CGI produced into laughable, Dysneyesque spectacle. You would not hear the end of it from all upset patriots.
post #92 of 166
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Originally Posted by Connemara View Post
Yikes...'twas that bad?

I think it depends on your expectations. If you're looking for a blood-and-guts driven flick that attempts to faithfully recapture the feel of the graphic novel, you'll probably like it. If you're looking for "historical fiction" or a a gripping drama with good dialogue, not so much.
post #93 of 166
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post
I think it depends on your expectations. If you're looking for a blood-and-guts driven flick that attempts to faithfully recapture the feel of the graphic novel, you'll probably like it. If you're looking for "historical fiction" or a a gripping drama with good dialogue, not so much.

The movie had "╦ťdialogue'? I must have missed it...

Jon.
post #94 of 166
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Originally Posted by dkzzzz View Post
All you have to do to understand his point is to imagine Perl Harbor (or any other event) made into a preposterous comic book and then CGI produced into laughable, Dysneyesque spectacle. You would not hear the end of it from all upset patriots.

Was that intentional irony?
post #95 of 166
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Originally Posted by Saucemaster View Post
LOL P.s. it is not even a question of patriotism, btw. Heritage is a better way to put it. As I said, this is important enough that the plaque had been replaced in the mid 1950's. Btw, I don't blame Hollywood per se for leaving the Thespians out of it, the original plaque basically said "Stranger who are reading this go back to the Lacedaimonians and tell them that here we are buried faithful to our ancestors laws and traditions" Note the absence of any reference to the 700 poor bastards that were masacred with them... Sparta never was one for diplomacy and tact, frankly. Then only thing they ever did well was wage war and believe their own propaganda.
post #96 of 166
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Originally Posted by skalogre View Post
Oh and sure you can tell the story, as can anyone. Does not mean that it will not be pure BS that will then become the de facto narrative. While it is nice to think that people know and understand the difference between historical narratives and complete BS, that is ludicrously far from the reality of things.

Meh, forget history, try having that be the story of your life.

On the other hand, I have no interest in watching Jarhead or similar, nor in reading the plethora of "Soldiers' Stories" kind of books that have already been written. So I guess I see your point.

Tom
post #97 of 166
This book has some good info on tactics and warfare of the classical period (I don't remember being interested in the author's assertions regarding evolution of warfare in the modern age).

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Way-Wa.../dp/0520219112
post #98 of 166
I liked it. The music was shittastic - absolutely horrible. It was cliche, but it was very self-aware and purposefully predictable. I enjoyed the fight scenes and the stylish camera work and effects.. that's what the movie is really about, anyway.

The acting actually wasn't that bad. Gerard Butler was seriously good.
post #99 of 166
I saw the movie. I think. Bad as it was, I prefer the original version, with Richard Egan and Ralph Richardson. '300' had too much gore. Not enough attention given to the meaning, behind the gore. JMHO.
post #100 of 166
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Originally Posted by skalogre View Post
Sparta never was one for diplomacy and tact, frankly. Then only thing they ever did well was wage war and believe their own propaganda.

Which is why Athens' laws, tradition and culture are what stood the test of time (and impressed the next major empire: Rome) and are revered today.

Jon.
post #101 of 166
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Originally Posted by Brian SD View Post

The acting actually wasn't that bad. Gerard Butler was seriously good.

I was waiting for him to break into a rendition of "Music of the Night", but alas it never occurred...

Jon.
post #102 of 166
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Originally Posted by dkzzzz View Post
This new movie stole some lines from the original which always tells me that it's gonna be a dumbed down re-tell.
The movie is not out in France yet, but I find this claim pretty strange. Most lines in the comic book are literally taken from Plutarch and Herodotus, so if you find common lines in the two movies my first opinion would be that those are the ones.
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post #104 of 166
Yay for PBF!
post #105 of 166
Please God don't let Zack Snyder screw up Watchmen.
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