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post #16 of 35
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim


Seriously... is it too much to ask for?


This outfit isn't much different than what most on this forum wear. Slim fit pants, boots, a vest and a nice amount of cuff showing.

BTW, is this gentleman of the gay persuasion?
post #17 of 35
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Originally Posted by edmorel
This outfit isn't much different than what most on this forum wear. Slim fit pants, boots, a vest and a nice amount of cuff showing.

Yes, but would not most of us consider brown shoes?
post #18 of 35
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Originally Posted by gamelan
i was thinking more of an "i Mark Foley" tee.

-Jeff

Considering this is a college event, a "Mark Foley Loves Me" tee is probably more apt.
post #19 of 35
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Originally Posted by marc237
A "U.S. out of Iraq" t-shirt if you wish to be removed, probably in hand-cuffs.

Funny, I thought that the kind of behavior reserved for squalid police states.
post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by Vintage Gent
Funny, I thought that the kind of behavior reserved for squalid police states.
I think you actually have to make a scene to get thrown out. Clothing alone won't do it. Unless, perhaps, it says something really vulgar or advocates assassination or something.
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post #22 of 35
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Originally Posted by Manton
I think you actually have to make a scene to get thrown out. Clothing alone won't do it. Unless, perhaps, it says something really vulgar or advocates assassination or something.

These days, unfortunately, even the slightest whiff of dissent (without any ruckus to speak of) is enough to get you removed and (at minimum) threatened with arrest:

http://progressive.org/node/9

http://progressive.org/node/2361

http://progressive.org/node/2362

http://progressive.org/mag_mcshirt
post #23 of 35
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim


Seriously... is it too much to ask for?


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post #25 of 35
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Originally Posted by Vintage Gent
These days, unfortunately, even the slightest whiff of dissent (without any ruckus to speak of) is enough to get you removed and (at minimum) threatened with arrest:

http://progressive.org/node/9

http://progressive.org/node/2361

http://progressive.org/node/2362

http://progressive.org/mag_mcshirt
I would argue (and you would doubtless disagree) that these are different circumstances. All but one of the links discuss people trying to get into explicitly political events, campaign rallies and such. Scrutiny for those events is very high -- on both sides of the aisle. I doubt that the Secretary of State, speaking in a non-partisan capacity at a university, would insist on the same level of control. In fact, she has alread been disrupted a few times this year in academic settings. So even if her security people are trying to control things for her, their effectiveness seems to be limited.
post #26 of 35
If this is auditorium-style seating and you are an audience member, I suspect most male students won't even wear a tie. I would suggest a coat and tie.

If you are to meet with her later or attend a smaller gathering, I would suggest a suit, although a coat and tie would be OK (students are assumed to be on a limited budget and are given a sartorial pass equal to about one level of formality).
post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by gamelan
i was thinking more of an "i Mark Foley" tee.

should you get called on to ask a question, ask her to get a ruler and measure her erection.
post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by Manton
I would argue (and you would doubtless disagree) that these are different circumstances.

They are, and I bring these examples up only to show the pitfalls of wearing expressions of political dissent in today's climate of diminishing civil liberties. I should mention that my institution was host to one of the events on Bush's "Social Security tour," on its surface a non-partisan undertaking. I was involved in some of the planning, specifically with regard to which VIPs to invite. We were told not to include Democrats on the guest list as they would not be allowed in.

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Originally Posted by Manton
All but one of the links discuss people trying to get into explicitly political events, campaign rallies and such. Scrutiny for those events is very high -- on both sides of the aisle.

Not true, at least for the last Presidential election:

http://www.refuseandresist.org/polic...t.php?aid=1569

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Originally Posted by Manton
I doubt that the Secretary of State, speaking in a non-partisan capacity at a university, would insist on the same level of control.

I doubt she would either.
post #29 of 35
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
Doesn't Condi have better things to do than give talks at universities? Oh wait, they are bastions of public opinion and repositories of wisdom...

Well, if she gets a reception like the Minuteman guy got at Columbia a few days ago, why bother.
post #30 of 35
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Originally Posted by Vintage Gent
They are, and I bring these examples up only to show the pitfalls of wearing expressions of political dissent in today's climate of diminishing civil liberties. I should mention that my institution was host to one of the events on Bush's "Social Security tour," on its surface a non-partisan undertaking. I was involved in some of the planning, specifically with regard to which VIPs to invite. We were told not to include Democrats on the guest list as they would not be allowed in.

This is done in large measure because of activists who show no decency. When I speaker appears on campus, and I attend, I would like to be able to hear the speaker. The ratcheting up of what is tolerated as dissent makes civil discourse nearly impossible. I have attended a number of events at my own (politically liberal) alma mater with conservative speakers. No one was ever removed for wearing a certain type of t-shirt - they were removed for standing up and screaming at the person on stage.

If you want to get into which party tolerates dissent at its rallies, I can go on for quite a while about the treatment my college friends and I received from the union goons while wearing Bush t-shirts at a Gore event. It cuts both ways.
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