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post #136 of 203
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
Some people's destiny is to be scathingly footnoted in great literature.



I've said it here once and I'll say it again, Citizen Kane's importance lies not in it's story, which by today's standards is admittedly mediocre, but in it's innovations in filmmaking and political ramifications. Every successful movie since Citizen Kane uses camera techniques pioneered in it, it was truely ingenious in its use of special effects and set design. Deep focus, the invisible wipe, and showing the ceilings of the set may not sound like anything important to you, but If you watch it today, you may not realize that its almost 66 years old. That is astounding. It was also the most politically charged movie of its time, being a direct satirical attack on William Randolph Hearst, his life, and his mistress Marion Davies.

I don't expect people who aren't movie nerds to fully understand what the big deal about Citizen Kane is, and you don't have to, but "overrated"? Thats a bit strong, considering that its BY FAR the most influential movie, as far as cinematography, set design, effects, and political satire is concerned. Its the granddaddy of all modern cinema.

you make valid points, but the film is an incredible bore. technically, it's brilliant. but that's what hampers the film. it's cold and plays out like a bad soap opera.
post #137 of 203
Some random thoughts:

I cant get into most Woody Allen. Annie Hall is especially overrated.

Cant stand Tom Hanks!

Crash was god-awful. Just...god-awful filmmaking.

Forest Gump was a fun movie, but didnt deserve oscars. This movie winning over Pulp Fiction?? Come on.

Not a fan of Dustin Hoffman. The graduate was such an odd movie too. Dustin's character just didnt make any sense.

The Thin Red Line- I turned this off after the first 20 minutes.

The Borne Identity actually gets some critical acclaim. I walked out of the theater in the middle of that one.

American Beauty is definately overrated.

I recently saw Half Nelson, and although it was good, I dont think it lived up to the critical hype.

Garden State definately hasnt drawn enough wrath in this thread.

Goodfellas - A couple brilliant scenes here (back entrance to the night club, day of the helicopter,) but the movie doesnt do much for me overall. My hate for Ray Liotta doesnt help.

Platoon - Totally overwraught. It's like watching a parody, but it actually takes itself seriously.

Anything with Wilson, Farrel, Stiller and crew. You can just tell from these guys' screen performances that they think theyre the shit. Probably the most arrogant people in hollywood. I cant stand to watch them.



Some Films that I dont think get enough credit:
The Indiana Jones series
Jackie Brown
Master and Commander
Unforgiven - Calling it anything but the best film of the last 25 years isnt giving Unforgiven enough credit.
Hoop Dreams - One of the few films that has ever made me think about things in a different light.
2001 A Space Odyssey - Brilliant in every way.
Mulholland Drive
Brokeback Mountain - It's a beautiful and understated film that no one bothered talking about in artistic terms, and instead focused on how "groundbreaking" it was.
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post #139 of 203
Crash was definitely overrated. an oscar?? holy geebus, that movie played out like a 21 year old writer thinking he was being "deep", "probing" and "introspective" about racial issues and it all came out as trite, obvious, convoluted, and pretentious. The only good thing about that movie was seeing Sandra Bullock play a bitchy lady.
post #140 of 203
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Originally Posted by Get Smart
Crash was definitely overrated. an oscar?? holy geebus, that movie played out like a 21 year old writer thinking he was being "deep", "probing" and "introspective" about racial issues and it all came out as trite, obvious, convoluted, and pretentious. The only good thing about that movie was seeing Sandra Bullock play a bitchy lady.

I agree that Crash was overrated, contained a superficial examination of racial issues, and definitely didn't deserve the oscar. However, there were parts I liked, most particularly Matt Dillon's portrayal of the racist cop and his interplay with the Ryan Phillipe character. I also think it was up against an impossible topic; racism as it exists in modern-day America. This is just not something that lends itself to a 2 hour examination.

I agree with Pennglock on Platoon for the most part (I thought it had some good scenes, particularly the scene in the village, but I could have done without the whole "battling for his soul" subplot, and I particularly could have done without Willem Dafoe's character throwing his arms out like a Christ figure when he died) and on Garden State. I disagree on Goodfellas - I think it was a terrific film.
post #141 of 203
I don't have time to read all 139 posts, but I'm assuming they were just 139 votes for "Cruise, Thomas"
post #142 of 203
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Originally Posted by JBZ
I agree that Crash was overrated, contained a superficial examination of racial issues, and definitely didn't deserve the oscar. However, there were parts I liked, most particularly Matt Dillon's portrayal of the racist cop and his interplay with the Ryan Phillipe character. I also think it was up against an impossible topic; racism as it exists in modern-day America. This is just not something that lends itself to a 2 hour examination.

I agree with Pennglock on Platoon for the most part (I thought it had some good scenes, particularly the scene in the village, but I could have done without the whole "battling for his soul" subplot, and I particularly could have done without Willem Dafoe's character throwing his arms out like a Christ figure when he died) and on Garden State. I disagree on Goodfellas - I think it was a terrific film.

I think Crash was a film with excellent acting, with poor suspecting actors being conned into a surpassingly trite, almost insulting film. I'm starting to think that film was made by some Descartesian evil genius to see just how badly he could insult the intelligence of America and get away with it.
post #143 of 203
-Crash was horribly overrated. The fact that they pawn it off as some honest humanity piece makes me vomit. -I was still living in Los Feliz (Derby, Dresden, etc.) when Swingers came out and I didn't think it was all that great when I saw it in theaters the first time. I rented it a year later and have sworn by it ever since. If you've never been to LA, it will probably just be a decent movie with a lot of great quotes. But if you were actually around LA in '96/'97, this should be the film you swear by. It's kind of like a kid going to see "Shrek" and not knowing why his parents are laughing at unfunny parts in the movie. Same could be said with "L.A. Story." ("Hi, my name is Bob. I'll be your robber this evening.") -Any Ron Howard movie with the exception of "Parenthood." The guy's a professional, fine. I can respect that. But lately when your actors are coughing "oscar" in every single emotional scene, I want to stick my fist through the screen. People love to talk about how great he is but forget he was also behind EDTV and Far and Away. -Travolta...."Ain't it cooool..." Asshole. -"The Hours", "Gosford Park". Zzzzz. -Wes Anderson. I'm sure I'll get lots of complaints, but "innovative" isn't the same quirky film every time. -M.Night after "Sixth Sense." Awful.
post #144 of 203
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Originally Posted by whodini
-Crash was horribly overrated. The fact that they pawn it off as some honest humanity piece makes me vomit.
-I was still living in Los Feliz (Derby, Dresden, etc.) when Swingers came out and I didn't think it was all that great when I saw it in theaters the first time. I rented it a year later and have sworn by it ever since. If you've never been to LA, it will probably just be a decent movie with a lot of great quotes. But if you were actually around LA in '96/'97, this should be the film you swear by. It's kind of like a kid going to see "Shrek" and not knowing why his parents are laughing at unfunny parts in the movie. Same could be said with "L.A. Story." ("Hi, my name is Bob. I'll be your robber this evening.")
-Any Ron Howard movie with the exception of "Parenthood." The guy's a professional, fine. I can respect that. But lately when your actors are coughing "oscar" in every single emotional scene, I want to stick my fist through the screen. People love to talk about how great he is but forget he was also behind EDTV and Far and Away.
-Travolta...."Ain't it cooool..." Asshole.
-"The Hours", "Gosford Park". Zzzzz.
-Wes Anderson. I'm sure I'll get lots of complaints, but "innovative" isn't the same quirky film every time.
-M.Night after "Sixth Sense." Awful.


i hate all of ron howard's movies. HATE. and yeah, Wes Anderson's 'quirky' sensibilites are just getting old and tiresome... I kinda liked Gosford Park, not that it was a terrific film or anything. Just liked it's moodiness.
post #145 of 203
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Originally Posted by Mr. Checks
I don't have time to read all 139 posts, but I'm assuming they were just 139 votes for "Cruise, Thomas"

no, its quite a mixed bag of potpourri, really.
post #146 of 203
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Originally Posted by Lamo
i hate all of ron howard's movies. HATE. and yeah, Wes Anderson's 'quirky' sensibilites are just getting old and tiresome... I kinda liked Gosford Park, not that it was a terrific film or anything. Just liked it's moodiness.
Good to see someone else not on the Howard/Anderson bandwagon. I hate those hacks.
post #147 of 203
Harrison Ford plays the same character in everything. Both he and Tom Cruise only have one expression. Ben Stiller - not funny. His only good role was in Permanent Mdnight. Something About Mary, anything with Jim Carrey, all of the Farrelly brothers stuff - all of this is dreck, yet most people talk about how hilarious this stuff is. I can't even sit through it. Woody Allen went to crap when he took up with Mia Farrow.
post #148 of 203
Master and Commander undderrated? Give us a break.

Knights Tale was overrated
post #149 of 203
Andie MacDowell and Melanie Griffith should be barred from extra work never mind acting, truly awful

Jeff Bridges is consistently the most overrated actor of the last 30 years.

I thought Master & Commander was superb, but Lost in Translation was dreadful, I switched off after 30 minutes.


Gosford Park, apart from Stephen Fry's "comedy" police officer is a wonderful film.
post #150 of 203
I don´t know what Tom Cruise will do once his body fails him. His acting style is monochromatic. Orlando Bloom is handsome, but a poor actor.

I´ll second Shawshank Redemption (ranked no.2 in IMDB´s poll) as pleasant, but completely overated. The Lord of the Rings series had terrific special effects, but what else? C´mon the whole LOTR series in the best 20 movies of all time? Anyone wish to argue they were far better than an average Hitchcock, Kubrick, Wilder or Scorsese flick?
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