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post #121 of 203
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Originally Posted by Bic Pentameter
I realize I run the risk of being taken to task in a footnote in Tokyo Slim's thesis, but I am afraid to say that I agree with Odereater. I saw Lost in Translation in a small artsy theater in Shibuya and thought it was very dull.


I actually quite liked LiT because it seemed to so quiet and unassuming yet was moving.

But the point of my post was that an acquintance (sp?) hated the ikebana scene because he insisted that no instructure would have been so nice to SJ and would have yelled at her that she was doing it wrong. It was quite a funny scene in the kitchen when I said "Hey I just saw LiT and really liked it. What did you think?" I took a step back.

b
post #122 of 203
so speaking of LiT, what did Bill Murray whipser into Scarlett's ear at the last scene? or is this one of those 'we'll never know and need to interpret ourselves' artsy schtick? fwiw, I liked the movie a lot. Made me miss Tokyo.
post #123 of 203
You'll never know, but the end part of it is "tell the truth, okay?" or something similar. It was ad-libbed and they have refused to say. One person's guess supposedly with high-tech enhancement is "I’ll always remember the past few days with you… Don’t part mad, tell him the truth, okay?" Which does make sense.
post #124 of 203
"Don't part mad." Makes sense, Murray told the groundhog, "Don't drive angry."
post #125 of 203
That drives me crazy in "Once Upon a Time in America"... does James Woods kill himself??? I never know.
post #126 of 203
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Originally Posted by Bic Pentameter
I realize I run the risk of being taken to task in a footnote in Tokyo Slim's thesis

Some people's destiny is to be scathingly footnoted in great literature.

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Originally Posted by Quirk
Overrated: Citizen Kane.

I've said it here once and I'll say it again, Citizen Kane's importance lies not in it's story, which by today's standards is admittedly mediocre, but in it's innovations in filmmaking and political ramifications. Every successful movie since Citizen Kane uses camera techniques pioneered in it, it was truely ingenious in its use of special effects and set design. Deep focus, the invisible wipe, and showing the ceilings of the set may not sound like anything important to you, but If you watch it today, you may not realize that its almost 66 years old. That is astounding. It was also the most politically charged movie of its time, being a direct satirical attack on William Randolph Hearst, his life, and his mistress Marion Davies.

I don't expect people who aren't movie nerds to fully understand what the big deal about Citizen Kane is, and you don't have to, but "overrated"? Thats a bit strong, considering that its BY FAR the most influential movie, as far as cinematography, set design, effects, and political satire is concerned. Its the granddaddy of all modern cinema.
post #127 of 203
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Originally Posted by Newton
Anyone know what Murray whispered in her ear at the end? Maybe I'm a novice, but I couldn't stop thinking about it.
It was Sofia Coppola's intent that the dialouge would be seen as clandestine. Only for their ears and not the audiences.
post #128 of 203
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Originally Posted by Violinist
That drives me crazy in "Once Upon a Time in America"... does James Woods kill himself??? I never know.

i believe there was a gunshot heard when de niro left the house....
post #129 of 203
Two "classics" that I think are overrated:

From Here to Eternity (I just thought the story was dumb)


Touch of Evil (over-the-top noir that was downright laughable)




I was very disappointed to not like either of these as (i) they are supposed to be so great, and (ii) I am truly a fan of classic cinema.


b
post #130 of 203
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Originally Posted by Violinist
That drives me crazy in "Once Upon a Time in America"... does James Woods kill himself??? I never know.

Or is the whole story just an opium induced dream/hallucination on the part of Robert De Niro's character? I need to watch it again.
post #131 of 203
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Originally Posted by Tokyo Slim
Some people's destiny is to be scathingly footnoted in great literature.



I've said it here once and I'll say it again, Citizen Kane's importance lies not in it's story, which by today's standards is admittedly mediocre, but in it's innovations in filmmaking and political ramifications. Every successful movie since Citizen Kane uses camera techniques pioneered in it, it was truely ingenious in its use of special effects and set design. Deep focus, the invisible wipe, and showing the ceilings of the set may not sound like anything important to you, but If you watch it today, you may not realize that its almost 66 years old. That is astounding. It was also the most politically charged movie of its time, being a direct satirical attack on William Randolph Hearst, his life, and his mistress Marion Davies.

I don't expect people who aren't movie nerds to fully understand what the big deal about Citizen Kane is, and you don't have to, but "overrated"? Thats a bit strong, considering that its BY FAR the most influential movie, as far as cinematography, set design, effects, and political satire is concerned. Its the granddaddy of all modern cinema.

Ok, I'll just think of it the way I do Billie Holliday: I can recognize that what it accomplished was innovative -- even critical -- in terms of the development of the artform, without necessarily finding it to be a stimulating experience in itself. I just don't watch movies as a film student, nor listen to music as a musicologist. "Overrated" is just a subjective evaluation.
post #132 of 203
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Originally Posted by rdawson808
Two "classics" that I think are overrated:

From Here to Eternity (I just thought the story was dumb)


Touch of Evil (over-the-top noir that was downright laughable)




I was very disappointed to not like either of these as (i) they are supposed to be so great, and (ii) I am truly a fan of classic cinema.


b

What!! You don't think Charlton Heston makes a credible mexican? You heathen!! Kidding aside the realization is so masterful I'm surprised you had time to notice the story.
post #133 of 203
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Originally Posted by JBZ
I also think there are other movies, such as Unforgiven, which raise interesting questions and themes even if most of us can't really relate to the characters or their situations. For example, Unforgiven, in my mind, raised the following questions (among others): what is justice? are violent men born violent, or do they choose to be violent? can a violent person ever escape his past? are there ramifications to violent acts to the perpetrator beyond those which may be imposed by society? why is it necessary to celebrate violent acts in literature and other media? why is it necessary to alter a violent person's history or actions in literature and other media in order to turn them into "heroes"? I find these questions very interesting, even though I couldn't really relate to any of the characters in the film on a personal level.

Okay, I've rambled enough.

I couldn't agree more about Unforgiven, Eastwood is, in all probability, the contemporary filmaker who has dedicated the most energy and intelligence in dissecting the meaning/nature of violence in american society.
post #134 of 203
i think all woody allen movies are overrated. then again, i'm not white, and i don't live in new york.
post #135 of 203
Citizen Kane, almost never made it to opening. Hedda Hopper had tipped William Randolph Hearst off, regarding the film's storyline; Hearst then ordered his gossiping virago, Louella Parsons, to get on the case. She promised a total press blackout, should CK open as scheduled. Eventually the film did open, to critical acclaim. But Orson Welles never quite recovered from the Hearst, smear campaign. Welles was marked forever as a troublemaker that nobody could trust.
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