Originally Posted by academe
Never throughout the thread have I said that I advocated the Chinese government's labour policies. One of my points has been that it is really the responsibility of the corporations outsourcing their manufacturing to China, Italy, or wherever to ensure that their workers are being fairly treated. My opinion is that the blame for the mistreatment of garment workers - whether it is in Italy or LA or China - should fall primarily at the feet of the employers.
this was not at all the point you were making in the quote i quoted even in context. you were saying if people are angry that traditional methods and jobs were being lost by outsourcing to china, why arent they getting mad at outsourcing to italy.
your above statement has absolutely nothing to do with that objection.
It's all fine and good to have vital human rights laws
on the books, but if they're not being enforced then what's the point? Presumably the US has vital human rights laws; yet migrant agricultural workers and garment workers in California still suffer at the hands of their employers. For the person working in an LA sweatshop, or getting sprayed by carcinogenic pesticides in an ag field in California, does it really matter if the country they're working in has laws on the books? Their rights are still being infringed upon, and it's ultimately up to their employers to make sure that this doesn't happen.
like i said infrastructure of enforcement of said vital laws are done more easily in a nation like italy or the US compared to a nation like china. whether that's the media or a more legal/civic approach, doesn't matter. at least in the us you and i and anybody else is allowed to talk, report, demonstrate in opposition against workers getting sprayed by carcinogenic pesticides. at least we can sue the government on behalf of the workers and try and get laws changed.
You're just putting words into my mouth here. I did not in anyway assert that working longer hours was a racial characteristic; rather, I said that societal or cultural norms varied. It is up to those societies to define for themselves what they consider reasonable working hours.
did i ever even mention the word race? i even said cultural variance. and i cannot believe you are still sticking to this utterly moronic statement. cultural variance is not the reason why people in china, south korea, vietnam, etc work 70-100 hours a week. south korean workers have the highest hours worked out of any developed nation. do you seriously think any of this is because of cultural or societal norms?
are you seriously saying that by culture, by society it is more normal for asian to work 80 to 100 hour weeks? you think asian workers want to work 80 to 100 hour weeks?