Originally Posted by suited
Serious mang, throwing out lines like "there are people that have been in this game long enough so they have the ability to understand the context of the question and have the ability to apply the most logical outcome across the majority of people
" just makes you look like a douche. Congratulations on being in "the game" long enough to "have the ability to understand the context of the question." Considering you don't even know what he lifts right now, and don't know his situation outside him wanting to get stronger + get leaner, you just sound like an ignorant dickbag.
Your argument sucks. Saying "sure, you might add some lbs to your big 3" - well, thanks for proving my point. Obviously people aren't going to make ironclad progress on every single exercise every single time on a deficit - I don't think people are going to be sad about missing a few curls if their squat/DL is still improving while getting leaner. Furthermore, I was under the impression that gaining strength referred to your big 3 going up - thank you again.
Speaking in general (applying the logical outcome across the majority of people
), you can gain significant strength past newbie gains and without anabolics on a deficit. Yeah, if you wanna squat 900, you're going to need some mass. You're taking it to an extreme degree in your "understanding of the context of the question" - yeah, if you want to gain elite strength over a long period of time, a deficit might not be beneficial. There is a middle ground between "10 lbs on a lift" and squatting 900 pounds. Proper dieting + appropriate exercise = sustainable strength gains until you hit single digit BF.
Are you just mad, had a bad personal experience, or what? Countless respected strength coaches, athletes, and other authorities on the topic (not bodybuilding.com) have repeatedly affirmed the fact that significant strength gains on caloric deficits are possible, unless your BF is really low already. Considering the tone of your post, I'm gonna go with "u mad" and leave it at that.
edit: re-reading your post, its clear you really don't have an understanding of the context of the question or however you so irritatingly put it. Nobody said they were going to drop 20lbs and add 60lbs to their bench - you're giving poor examples. You're confusing "significant" with "unrealistic." Again, considering you essentially agreed with me while claiming I was wrong because massive - not significant - strength gains aren't feasible on a deficit. You also did so in a manner that makes you look like a fuck. Congrats.