Batman: Dark Knight Rises (movie thread) - Page 133

Careful what you ask for...

i would not lump it in with marvel or dc heroes

dont be an ass,

i would not really call V for Vendetta or Sin City super hero movies, those are comic book movies but none of those are superheros like batman, superman, iron man, spider man, etc

thank you, one person who understood what i was saying

bane was exiled because Ra's thought he was "pure evil" and not up to league of shadows standards, also he liked talia so that probably had something to do with it,

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Batman Begins was a reasonably good movie and it was also a fair attempt to capture the dark essence of the Batman character. Standalone TDK was probably a better movie but I give a few points to Batman Begins as it breathed new life into the franchise and a few points off from The Dark Knight for the muddled and unsatisfying Harvey Dent ending. Both of these movies and TDKR suffer from the fact they fail to depict some of the most important characteristics of Batman, he's not just a dark driven fighter, he's a world class genius inventor/detective. The Fox character is superfluous, the Batman would not need him. The Batman shouldn't win by brute force and luck he should win by completely outsmarting the bad guy and the judicious use of fear and his superior martial arts (not punching it out with a brute toe to toe) as a last resort.

The Tim Burton/Michael Keaton movies were not great movies but they were kind of fun, Batman Forever was along the same lines just not as good. TDKR was a muddled mess and Batman and Robin is un-watchable.

I brought up the point before in this thread, but people seem largely spoiled. Now that I'm back from vacation, I'm going to finally add some formal thoughts as a mini review later. The movies not perfect by any means, but i enoyed it. You are right that it's bizarre how some can't overlook what are largely minor flaws, in the grand scope and context of what Nolan achieved with the franchise and characters. I do believe the internet has been responsible for a festerering culture of nitpicking popular and/or highly anticipated films.

The gaping plot holes, lack of an actual Batman character, emasculation of Alfred, and pathetic fight scenes, just for a start, are not nit-picks. If I wasn't in the cinema with a group of people I would have walked out. Of the 6 guys I saw the movie with one guy said it was OK another said it had some good bits and the rest of us thought it blew chunks. And what was with the annoooooying sound track in the 3rd act.

i believe 500 days of summer guy is supposed to take over as batman...

His name is Robin..

He can't be Batman, he's an alien.

Looks like I had the Tom Waits impression right, just the wrong character. Skip to 1:30 and witness The Joker!:

that's the problem, you go in there expecting/wanting to see the batman character you read about in the comics. i guess because i never read the comics, i don't sit there trying to compare the two. i can just enjoy the movie on its own.

I do think that this movie worked much better for non-readers. Readers are more familiar with the plot points; and most of them were done better in the comics.

Sealed up Gotham (and to some extent the charisma of the antagonist) was great in Batman: The Cult. Hell, there is a one on one brute fight there also. The "faking death to prepare the next-gen fighter" ending was definitely much better in Miller's Dark Knight.

For non-readers, TDKR was the first time they were acquainted with those facets of Batmanverse. It's fresh for them.

Also, the whole pit and "defeating oneself" theme were similar to Batman Begins.

From the three movies, TDK was really the stand-out masterpiece, it elevates the genre and mood to a different level (save for the Two-Face ending, yah).

The internet with all the angry rotten tomato wanna-be people who act like they are too good for everything. Sheesh.

A-freaking-men.

As an avid comic reader and Batman fan, I am surprised few seem to have picked up on the one area of the character's personality that Nolan's films changes for the sake of telling the story he wanted. Probably one of the most important of Batman's personality.

Hint: Dark Knight Returns did the same.