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post #1966 of 2412
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

I personally enjoyed the film more than 2 and 1.
For me:
  • BB established Nolan and the cast
  • TDK made it that much more real especially with HL performance of "The Joker"
  • TDKR was an emotional journey centered on the protagonist Bruce Wayne/Batman. This was done well with the supporting cast who played villain or "sidekick". There were several parts in the film where characters told Bruce "we just want what is best for you". I believe once Bruce's transition in the movie was finally established in his "growth" the film became a matter of using his tools to take care of everything e.g. "The Bat" and "Batpod"
TBH Bane was cool but through the movie as a whole, no one really stood out to me except Batman and perhaps Selina Kyle. Bane was just a cool factor for me and I agree that TH portrayal was very spot on when you consider much of the acting was through his eyes.
I liked the Nolan-esque ending though I agree if I saw the movie leaving with just Alfred smiling it would have made it that much better. It did end with Black/Robin though, which for me was "mind blown" just a bit. I left the theater with my friend and for the first time after viewing a film felt like I should have read the written work (comic/book) prior.
Other comments:
  • Why is Bruce still in such great shape after getting his body dismantled. When he fell and tried getting up hold himself on the ledge in his prison, his biceps were huge! I mentioned this to my friend and how the hell he could still be getting all the nutrition to keep his body in that shape and we both kind of laughed. I think he should have been more frail physically.
  • I understood Bane 50% from my viewing and feel it would have been cool to have understood all the minor details even if it did not add or take away from the film as a whole (Will definitely be getting the trilogy when on BlueRay for the CC)
  • When Bane teared I was like 'Wait why is his eyes watery?'
  • The Talia twist was good
  • The Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle relationship at the end was nice touch but like I told my buddy after the film I feel like Bruce Wayne's character after losing his #1 girl, then getting stabbed by #2, settled for the last girl available (The chemistry was good. When Selina Kyle realized Bruce Wayne = Batman during the first fight I think that was when they both stood on the same ground)

Don't forget that he needed a gizmo to intially walk and then makes due without it. Also, for suffering an enormous amount of brain trauma he seems unimpaired. A punch drunk and dehabilitated Batman could have been cool and a source of tension.
post #1967 of 2412
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

Huh? Why would the doctor do that to bane.. also it doesn't answer who was responsible for not locking the door.

When Talia made her escape from the pit Bane was pummeled by all the prisoners. Doctor tried fixing him up? Or the Doctor was part of the prisoners' riot and instead of beating on Bane used his skills to mess him up?

^The head trauma was lessened by his cowl?
post #1968 of 2412
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

When Talia made her escape from the pit Bane was pummeled by all the prisoners. Doctor tried fixing him up? Or the Doctor was part of the prisoners' riot and instead of beating on Bane used his skills to mess him up?
^The head trauma was lessened by his cowl?

My question is why the Doctor didn't make it apparent in his story who Bane was and who the little girl was. Didn't the fucker treat Bane?
post #1969 of 2412
Well my point is that the Doctor did not care and from my last point perhaps he did not want Talia to escape in the first place like the rest of the prisoners. So he could have cared less to get into the details

He recognized them but his tone was more of regret / contempt
post #1970 of 2412
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Originally Posted by gettoasty View Post

Well my point is that the Doctor did not care and from my last point perhaps he did not want Talia to escape in the first place like the rest of the prisoners. So he could have cared less to get into the details
He recognized them but his tone was more of regret / contempt

I think the reason is bad writing to facilitate a cheap trick with the Talia character. The other thing I thought was whack was Batman's ridiculous no-kill ideology (even though he killed Ras) and then he's shooting rockets at Talia's military vehicle and "indirectly" (but more like directly) murdering her through the subsequent crash. Also, he's got no qualms about Selina killing Bane.
post #1971 of 2412
when he got back he did mention to Gordon that 'this is war'

and again it shows his shift in character progression


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Another thing, right when the first fight scene between Bane and Batman began, I felt like Bane or perhaps Ra's al Ghul took over because the voice literally changed from there on. It was chilling actually getting that tone and the fact that I imagined immediately Liam Neeson from Taken
post #1972 of 2412
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I think the reason is bad writing to facilitate a cheap trick with the Talia character. The other thing I thought was whack was Batman's ridiculous no-kill ideology and then he's shooting rockets at Talia's military vehicle and indirectly murdering her.

He also indirectly killed Ra's in BB. He even said that he didn't have to kill him but he didn't need to save him either.
post #1973 of 2412
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Originally Posted by GreenFrog View Post

The way I remember it, the Doc was the one who forgot to lock the door, which was why he was so defeated and lifeless out of guilt when Bruce was in prison.

yeah I remember it being the doctor. Also the doctor whose addiction to morphine made him mess up bane's surgery.
post #1974 of 2412
Still doesn't answer why Bane was exiled but I'm going w/ the Google search as it makes the most sense to me

And Doctor forgot to lock the door.

More the reason to rewatch this but going to wait for BlueRay
post #1975 of 2412
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Originally Posted by Gradstudent78 View Post

Is Sin City a super hero movie?
V for Vendetta came out about 6 months after Batman Begins.

Those are just some that are worth watching. Sinnedk said nobody besides Nolan made a 'dark' superhero movie since The Crow -- which is patently stupid.
post #1976 of 2412
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Still doesn't answer why Bane was exiled but I'm going w/ the Google search as it makes the most sense to me
And Doctor forgot to lock the door.
More the reason to rewatch this but going to wait for BlueRay

Talia said that bane was exiled by ras gul (however you spell his name) because his face was hideous and it reminded him of the prison and how his lover was raped/murdered.
post #1977 of 2412
just watched it for the third time, still want to see it in a "real" imax screen. i have no idea how anyone can call this even close to being the worst movie ever. not liking it is one thing, but worst movie ever? get the fuck outta here. maybe if you've only seen like less than ten movies in your entire life, then maybe. even if you don't like the story or acting, just the action scene alone puts it among the top. and if you can't even enjoy that, i feel sorry for you.

just to confirm, batman does not eject out during the explosion. they show him sitting inside right after the explosion, and if you look outside the windows, whatever he's sitting inside is moving forward. if he ejected out, it would most likely be moving up. oh and, alfred says the mining operation was in west africa, not south africa. still, morocco is in north africa, but whatever. and bane does not get talia's mom killed. he saves talia, but couldn't save both at the same time. the doctor says it himself that he forgot to lock the cell.

also watched the TDK on blu-ray one more time before watching this, and i have to say neither is better than the other, but that they both satisfy different thirsts. no matter how good TDK is, no matter how many times you watch it, you're not gonna get the awesome fight scene with bane, you're not gonna get to see batman and catwoman kicking ass side by side on a rooftop and escaping away on the bat. and no matter how good rises is, you're not gonna get the joker or the flawless beginning-to-end presentation. they both complete each other.
post #1978 of 2412
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Originally Posted by darkknight View Post

just watched it for the third time, still want to see it in a "real" imax screen. i have no idea how anyone can call this even close to being the worst movie ever. not liking it is one thing, but worst movie ever? get the fuck outta here. maybe if you've only seen like less than ten movies in your entire life, then maybe. even if you don't like the story or acting, just the action scene alone puts it among the top. and if you can't even enjoy that, i feel sorry for you.
just to confirm, batman does not eject out during the explosion. they show him sitting inside right after the explosion, and if you look outside the windows, whatever he's sitting inside is moving forward. if he ejected out, it would most likely be moving up. oh and, alfred says the mining operation was in west africa, not south africa. still, morocco is in north africa, but whatever. and bane does not get talia's mom killed. he saves talia, but couldn't save both at the same time. the doctor says it himself that he forgot to lock the cell.
also watched the TDK on blu-ray one more time before watching this, and i have to say neither is better than the other, but that they both satisfy different thirsts. no matter how good TDK is, no matter how many times you watch it, you're not gonna get the awesome fight scene with bane, you're not gonna get to see batman and catwoman kicking ass side by side on a rooftop and escaping away on the bat. and no matter how good rises is, you're not gonna get the joker or the flawless beginning-to-end presentation. they both complete each other.

I'd say you've never seen a good action movie before. When was this awesome fight scene with Bane? All I saw was a poorly orchestrated slugfest that might appeal to a typical wrestling fan.

Not the worst movie ever, second worst Batman movie and close to the worst movie I've ever seen in a cinema. The plot made no sense at all, and the action scenes and fights look like they were choreographed and executed by a bunch or 10 year olds. It was a wonder they didn't have ZAPP, WHAMMO, BLAMM graphics everytime Batman threw an awful haymaker.
post #1979 of 2412
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Originally Posted by Fang66 View Post

I'd say you've never seen a good action movie before. When was this awesome fight scene with Bane? All I saw was a poorly orchestrated slugfest that might appeal to a typical wrestling fan.
Not the worst movie ever, second worst Batman movie and close to the worst movie I've ever seen in a cinema. The plot made no sense at all, and the action scenes and fights look like they were choreographed and executed by a bunch or 10 year olds. It was a wonder they didn't have ZAPP, WHAMMO, BLAMM graphics everytime Batman threw an awful haymaker.

what are in your opinion the best movies then?
post #1980 of 2412
I do feel that fight coreographies from (Asian) movies like Ong-Bak superior to Nolan's. On the opposite spectrum (anti-coreography) lies Bourne's, I suppose, which Nolan tried to tap into for the realism and grit. But it was not as successful as Bourne.
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