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post #736 of 1316
Word the shorts I got from them were kinda weird. Even more tech looking than outlier's Three Ways. The issue is that I want something like a regular slim if that makes sense. The only pants outlier offers that don't look like leggings on me are nycos or the old three way longs.. so I can't tailor something that's too small to begin with. I suppose I could order their biggest size and then get the waist fixed up but I don't see that going well

edit: keirins fit me too but they are quite slim in comparison to the nycos
post #737 of 1316
Suyi you're absolutely right I wasn't talking about MSRP and more the prices people like us, consumers, pay. ALL the brands listed go into sale multiple times a year, including ACR on occasion. I can't remember the last Outlier sale aside from items that need clearing out or the sample sale which I wouldn't consider a sale. Almost never hits outerwear so they default to their MSRP. It's also due to not having other stockists which supposedly cuts overall costs?

This isn't some new revelation I've had. Outlier's outerwear prices, which never see a sale through them or any stockists (because there are none) match up with A LOT of SISP after a discount, and not even a steep discount.

Bought my SISP jacket for sub ~$500, but that might not be a great example since I had to do plenty of hunting and stalking.

A better example might be the Veilance Field Jacket which I would say is a core item for them hits sub ~$600 annually from Barneys and other stockists at deep discounts. Happened last year and the year before with a full size run and not just crazy big sizes or tiny sizes. Veilance just went on sale at a stockist for 30% off and I snagged a Mionn hooded vest. Dunno what that matches up to on the Outlier side, but it's just another example of a brand that gets discounted due to having actual stockists.

Isaora hits critical fuckin' mass with their own sales every year bringing the prices down by 60-80%.

ACR doesn't go on sale as often, but it does go on sale through some stockists.

Before Outlier got MEGA popular there were tons of stockists that also ran seasonal sales. I think my first pair of Keirin cuts were $100 shipped out of a store in SF.

I agree that the discount culture you mentioned is no good and it's probably a discussion for another thread, but if it's no good, does that mean Outlier isn't taking part of it and their goods are already at their lowest discounted price?

"Overpriced" is subjective obviously, but I can't help feeling that way when I browse multiple brands from multiple stockists and compare what I'm getting with the other brands at their discount prices in comparison to Outlier. Doesn't mean that Outlier's products are shoddy garments of clothing with a high price tag. It just means that the pricing doesn't hit home for me when there are much better alternatives at that same price point.
Edited by Tigerprawn - 11/1/13 at 8:41am
post #738 of 1316

Originally Posted by Suyi View Post

 

What Veilance is offering at $550 (Moins Composite Jacket i.e. nylon hoodie with wool panels) and $700 (Scend Jacket i.e. technical wool hoodie) is barely equivalent to what Outlier had at $370 (Woolback Freeshell) or $450 (Liberated Wool Hoodie).

Originally Posted by Tigerprawn View Post


Bought my SISP jacket for sub ~$500, but that might not be a great example since I had to do plenty of hunting and stalking.

A better example might be the Veilance Field Jacket which I would say is a core item for them hits sub ~$600 annually from Barneys and other stockists at deep discounts. Happened last year and the year before with a full size run and not just crazy big sizes or tiny sizes. Veilance just went on sale at a stockist for 30% off and I snagged a Mionn hooded vest. Dunno what that matches up to on the Outlier side...

"Overpriced" is subjective obviously, but I can't help feeling that way when I browse multiple brands from multiple stockists and compare what I'm getting with the other brands at their discount prices in comparison to Outlier. Doesn't mean that Outlier's products are shoddy garments of clothing with a high price tag. It just means that the pricing doesn't hit home for me when there are much better alternatives at that same price point.

 

So instead of $395 you paid $276 for the mion hooded vest? Let's match it up then — Outlier hasn't offered a hooded vest but we could match the Outlier Soft Core Vest ($240) to the Moins Vest without hood ($350 -> $245) or the Anion vest ($395 -> $276). For $245 you get a great deal on a Veilance stretch nylon vest with 40g Coreloft insulation or for $276 you get a Veilance wool vest with no insulation. On the other hand, for $240 you get an Outlier wool vest (virgin wool outer and merino wool liner) with 120g Primaloft insulation. Just comparing the fabrics alone can you really say the discounted veilance products are better alternatives that the Outlier stuff? There are other reasons to pick the veilance vests over the Outlier one (light weight, packable, comes in black, fits better with a blazer etc) but at a simple general analysis of fabrics vs cost /discount I think Outlier's prices are pretty reasonable.

 

I'm not trying to judge anybody who picks the discounted brands (after all I pretty much just fessed up to swapping my Outlier dungarees for 80% off Massif pants haha) but all that hunting and stalking for non-returnable sale items can be a pain. I'd rather just have Outlier's fair prices from the outset.

 

And Barneys doesn't carry XS so I don't get those Veilance deals; stop reminding me how much I'm missing out :/

post #739 of 1316
^ Haha I forgot that you're an XS and I always cringe when I look at your FS thread wishing it was a M-L.

My point in mentioning the vest was just the fact that Veilance goes on sale. There isn't a real comparison in terms of item with Outlier. However, with outerwear it's much easier to compare. For $600, hell even $400 for the new NYCO Freeshell (doesn't make much sense to me) I can think of a lot of alternatives I rather have.

It's also possible I'm just annoyed at the whole experimental angles they've been taking which a lot of it doesn't really make sense to me an doesn't resonate like it used to. I wish they'd go back to doing their pants, upgrading them, thinking of new ways to improve them instead of doing stuff like ponchos, beach pants, etc.

PS: I'm not a fan of Supermarine.

PSS: They've become less transparent about changes to cuts. I want the old 3-ways back.
post #740 of 1316

Then there's the whole thing where if you actually want a piece of outerwear from Mission Workshop, Isaora, Veilance, Aether, etc. you can pretty much go out and buy it any day you want. They don't sell out their entire runs within 2 days of announcing they've even made it. Hell, there have been items that I would've bought but didn't last from afternoon launch until I got home from work that night.

post #741 of 1316
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Originally Posted by brooks23 View Post

Then there's the whole thing where if you actually want a piece of outerwear from Mission Workshop, Isaora, Veilance, Aether, etc. you can pretty much go out and buy it any day you want. They don't sell out their entire runs within 2 days of announcing they've even made it. Hell, there have been items that I would've bought but didn't last from afternoon launch until I got home from work that night.

Co-sign.

They said I returned stuff too much, but between cut alterations (ie change of an items fit) and the fact that their runs sell out quickly I am kinda like wtf am I supposed to do?! I'll be on the fence about an item after it's announced and end up purchasing it just because I know if I don't, it could very well not be available to me when I do decide. Then I may keep it or I may return it if I decide finally that it's not for me. But yeah... their small runs make it difficult.
post #742 of 1316
Just chiming in to say I very much appreciate the tone and substance of the last couple pages of posts. Great topic to explore and something I've thought a lot about.

It came up a lot at Nau (where I worked for the company's first 2 years) and rightfully so, since we were focused on real costs of goods, sourcing/using more sustainable fabrics and pushing (at the time for sure) the existing aesthetic of outerwear. Remember, Outlier, Veilance, even Rapha, either didnt' exist or were barely nascent as recently as '07-08. Not sure about Isaora and others mentioned....
post #743 of 1316
Hopefully, I don't sound like some Outlier hater because I did and still do like a lot of the stuff that they make (and have bought a ton). It's just their outerwear as a whole misses the mark for me. I'm not sure if it's due to the popularity of the brand, but I miss the transparency.

Now someone sell me some black Climbers in a 33 smile.gif.
post #744 of 1316
I dont own any of the jackets but I do own several of the schoeller fabric pants, love them all but haven't paid retail for a single one, got each for under 150 shipped on b&s/ebay/sample sale, also picked up 2 nomads with a discount coupon they put out a while back, ended up like 130 a pop shipped, at this price range its a tremendous deal, another 15-20 in tailoring and done, only problem now is that soo many colors look a lot alike, also wished they didnt pill so bad on the inside (same on both brands btw).

But if I was to get a technical jacket or coat, I'd go for sisp, acrnym, veilance on sale as my first choice, I've never been interested in outliers outerwear (overpriced or not), shirting is where I'm starting to get intrigued though.
post #745 of 1316
What the hell? So they restocked on shirts and I didn't get a freaking email and now my size and color are sold out... I'm on both the restock list and the mailing list. I wonder how many they even make to begin with... Hype is unreal with Outlier.
post #746 of 1316
Twitter feed is prob your best bet.
post #747 of 1316
I was checking the measurements for the new OGs and their thighs seem to be a lot slimmer than the slim Ds, 60/30s, and even the climbers. Do they fit that much slimmer? The 60/30s and Slim Ds fit well but I'm kinda worried the New OGs would look painted on in the thighs. Anyone have any experience here?

Also -- I got an e-mail about the merino/co restock...
post #748 of 1316

I wouldnt get New OGs the pocket flare is ridiculous. 

post #749 of 1316
You need to get the old og's
post #750 of 1316

Can anyone recommend a really warm vest? minimal design in Black, or very dark grey. $300 limit. 

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