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post #496 of 1206

I agree that Proof NY copied Outliers style. At least with the New OGs compared to there Nomads, and with the photo destinations "by the ocean, exploring the city". They defiantly could of came up with there own personal style, but seems they wanted to try and grow faster, and then take Outliers customers by making the same type of garments. I just wish Outlier would step in and say hey if a smaller company in the same location can sell pants with the same exact fabric for $130 and obviously make a profit and a great product. Why is the price so high for Outlier garments? Once again to point it out money is not a problem when it comes to cloths for me ill spend whatever amount if I enjoy the product. I am not rich, Im a full time student and work my ass off at a unenjoyable job. 

post #497 of 1206
Price is as much part of the product as its design. I'd be more sympathetic towards Outlier if they didn't keep revising their prices upwards.
post #498 of 1206

i can't believe the hypercity sold out, i was just about to cop one! i need a large capacity backpack by end of month too. this one looked so good, omfg. ;_;

post #499 of 1206
Originally Posted by einstine View Post

I agree that Proof NY copied Outliers style. At least with the New OGs compared to there Nomads, and with the photo destinations "by the ocean, exploring the city". They defiantly could of came up with there own personal style, but seems they wanted to try and grow faster, and then take Outliers customers by making the same type of garments. I just wish Outlier would step in and say hey if a smaller company in the same location can sell pants with the same exact fabric for $130 and obviously make a profit and a great product. Why is the price so high for Outlier garments? Once again to point it out money is not a problem when it comes to cloths for me ill spend whatever amount if I enjoy the product. I am not rich, Im a full time student and work my ass off at a unenjoyable job. 

 

Originally Posted by Totakeke View Post

Price is as much part of the product as its design. I'd be more sympathetic towards Outlier if they didn't keep revising their prices upwards.

 

C'mon people, don't overstate your criticisms. You don't know for sure if ProofNY is making a profit unless you have access to their books. They might be cutting their margins close because they are a smaller company with fewer employees (Outlier has at least 5 people on the payroll). Outlier also sunk costs into developing these types of garments. So you got Nomads on sale for $130 but then again Outlier had a sample sale earlier this year with pants for as low as $60. Outlier has been pretty transparent about their reason for the increase in prices and I choose to trust them on that. Frankly if the higher prices means more experiments like the Poncho, and more staples like socks and tees, then I'm fine with supporting the company.

 

I'm not saying nobody should buy ProofNY — there's room for both to exist (and perhaps PoofNY should have its own thread).

post #500 of 1206
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Originally Posted by aeymxq View Post

i can't believe the hypercity sold out, i was just about to cop one! i need a large capacity backpack by end of month too. this one looked so good, omfg. ;_;

Save yourself $90 http://www.hyperlitemountaingear.com/packs/2400-series/2400-southwest-ultralight-pack.html

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yeah i'm looking at this, but i really liked the hypercity's colour, and the removable hip-belt was really great because those things look kinda goofy (but are still very useful).

post #502 of 1206
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Originally Posted by aeymxq View Post

 

yeah i'm looking at this, but i really liked the hypercity's colour, and the removable hip-belt was really great because those things look kinda goofy (but are still very useful).

 

The white dyneema is kinda transparent so I too prefer the hypercity's black color.

post #503 of 1206
Have I mentioned that I LOVE my OG's?

I really love 'em and I plan to keep supporting outlier, but what I really love about them is the schoeller 4 season fabric, and I've had to tailor all my og's in the top block to fit proper (I wear 28 so cant size down either, although I recall them making 27 a few years back, wish they still did but they dont, and 28 is really huge for a true 28 waist).

So if proof is exactly the same fabric and turns out to fit me better in the top block, or comes out with more distinctive color options, plus I'm also saving a bill per pair, then of course I will support them as well, posers or not.
Edited by canstyleace - 7/20/13 at 10:43am
post #504 of 1206
Though I hate it as a consumer, the fact that Outlier products often sell out immediately upon release/restock may indicate they have even more room to raise prices, indeed perhaps necessarily raise them. They may not have the capacity to raise production to meet demand -- as I understand it the Schoeller fabric is made in limited runs -- without incurring significantly more risk, and price-raising is simply one of the best alternatives to crush demand you can't meet.
post #505 of 1206

Outlier could manage demand in other ways. They could switch to a seasonal model, announce a collection weeks or months in advance, get customer feedback, and produce as needed. Or they could try a kickstarter model, display a sample item for a limited window and then produce the number that the customers order.

 

Outlier has 5,000+ on their mailing list and 8,000+ Twitter followers so raising the price isn't doing much to stop the items produced in limited numbers (only 25 for 60/30 jacket!) selling out in hours/days.

post #506 of 1206
They make limited amounts on purpose. To give that the demand is higher then it actually is, im sure they could produce more if the really wanted too. But producing a low amount of garments makes them rare, and I know for a fact people love rare items. I love owning clothing that people cant get there hands on anymore. Its also not just with outlier but practicly all good high end clothing lines garments from past seasons are hard to find.
Edited by einstine - 7/20/13 at 5:17pm
post #507 of 1206
If anybody hasn't read through Abe's Reddit AMA, please do: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1c2z74/i_am_abe_burmeister_founder_of_outlier_i/
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Originally Posted by Suyi View Post

Outlier could manage demand in other ways. They could switch to a seasonal model, announce a collection weeks or months in advance, get customer feedback, and produce as needed. Or they could try a kickstarter model, display a sample item for a limited window and then produce the number that the customers order.

 

Outlier has 5,000+ on their mailing list and 8,000+ Twitter followers so raising the price isn't doing much to stop the items produced in limited numbers (only 25 for 60/30 jacket!) selling out in hours/days.

 

I do think the Kickstarter model, a la Gustin, will become an increasingly viable path for brands to take, and is better than outright price raising every season.  Outlier has alot of Reddit (and in general online) hype, and in fact I know quite a few people, more than I should know, outside the NY fashion bubble ready to plunk money down for a pair of OG dungarees at a fairish price point. How interested the brand is in preserving their relationships with their stockists would probably the stickling point, I don't know really know how wide or deep their distribution is, and it would be going pretty out on the business model forefront right now.

 

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Originally Posted by einstine View Post

They make limited amounts on purpose. To give that the demand is higher then it actually is, im sure they could produce more if the really wanted too. But producing a low amount of garments makes them rare, and I know for a fact people love rare items. I love owning clothing that people cant get there hands on anymore. Its also not just with outlier but practicly all good high end clothing lines garments from past seasons are hard to find.

 

 

Eh.  I don't really think oversaturation is a problem Outlier is worried with.  And anonymous tech-ish wear, stuff people aren't going to ask you for the label straight up, doesn't strike me as the kind of Veblen good that demand is created the higher the price. (Unlike, say, a big-ass Hermes belt or whatever.)  When guidos and hypebeasts start wearing Outlier, I'd agree that's a problem, but I think they really would like get more of their stuff into a compatible demographic that desires it.

post #510 of 1206
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Originally Posted by InHocSignio View Post

 

I do think the Kickstarter model, a la Gustin, will become an increasingly viable path for brands to take, and is better than outright price raising every season.  Outlier has alot of Reddit (and in general online) hype, and in fact I know quite a few people, more than I should know, outside the NY fashion bubble ready to plunk money down for a pair of OG dungarees at a fairish price point. How interested the brand is in preserving their relationships with their stockists would probably the stickling point, I don't know really know how wide or deep their distribution is, and it would be going pretty out on the business model forefront right now.

 

Outlier discontinued the relationships with their stockists last year and are now direct distribution only. FEIT, who Outlier partnered with to create the Supermarines shoes, uses a Kickstarter-like model (I'm not sure how well it works for them though). I guess Outlier's current model is a great way for them to manage demand as only the rich can drop thousands, or even hundreds, at a moment's notice on a new Outlier release. The rest of us... :|

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