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post #8056 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Midguardian View Post

Sizing dilemmas be damned!!!

All you swing last guys, I'm looking for some sizing help. I have a 10.5F smoke jumper and getting some pinky and #4 toe rub on one foot. I called Kyle and we settled on the swing last. Kyle suggested that I size down one width to a 10.5EE in the swing last. I also called White's, and they suggested getting the exact same 10.5F size. White's didn't seem too sure as they were "estimating" based on a picture of the last. So to the question...can anyone please comment on sizing if you have the SJ or SD last and the Swing last? Did you need to size down one width to get the right fit? Lastly, I am developing a bunion on one foot. Would the swing last help alleviate that pain by not putting much pressure on that big toe joint?

I am not sure why you would trust one of us over Kyle or White's...that said, you could ask White's to measure the actual lasts around the balls of the feet for you...that might give you some idea of the differences.
post #8057 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post


I have noticed this too. Could you call them and report back to us what they say? Thanks!

Yup, sent Kyle an email.

 

Also, I noticed that if I used this http://www.bakershoe.com/product/custom-whites-smoke-jumper and picked a semi-dress last which makes it a Bounty Hunter, I get the same price as the buildaboot.

post #8058 of 9042
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 As you can see...

^ Not really...the screenshots are almost impossible to read;-) Nevertheless, I tried to re-create your build and now Bakers is only 35$ more. 

 

 

The difference in the examples above comes from the celastic toe, which is 35$ extra in the Bounty Hunter build on Baker's but comes at no extra price on buildaboot.

 

To add to the confusion, I built the same boot on Baker's website but started with a Custom Smokejumper instead of the Bounty Hunter. All details are identical (lining, last, toe cap, sole, etc.) but now the boot is only $474.95. On closer inspection, I found that in this example, the lining seems to be free even with a standard leather, which is probably not the case IRL...

 

 

(Note that the pictures in the cart do not represent the actual build; they are not "dynamic")

 

Anyway, I would just call or email Kyle for a price quote.

Or just go ahead, order the cheapest of the three builds (Going through Bakers, starting with a Custom Smokejumper and adjusting the last, leather, toecap, sole etc. accordingly) and see what happens :D 

 

EDIT:  Sorry xiaopigu, I didn't see your last post before posting my reply so maybe I created unnecessary confusion...

post #8059 of 9042
Anyone also owned Allen Edmond? I'm 9.5e both white's sj sd last. What should be my AE 65 and 7 last size?
post #8060 of 9042
Love some AE's
post #8061 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Royteane View Post

Anyone also owned Allen Edmond? I'm 9.5e both white's sj sd last. What should be my AE 65 and 7 last size?

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Originally Posted by Chawk806 View Post

Love some AE's

I caution that is is very dangerous to relay on other people's sizing advice...there are so many, many variables. Also, without trying on different sizes of the same shoe/boot, you can't be at all sure you found the one that will feel absolutely the best.

I have trouble with sizing because my arches are long relative to the overall length of my feet, which is another way of saying I have short toes. My feet are also a little narrow and a little low volume.

I own several pair of AE, both Park Avenues and Leeds, in 10D, but I got them to fit some added arch supports... I think I really should be a 10C in AE.

I have White's SD in both 9.5D and 9.5C...I could probably even wear 9.5B...However, I wonder if I would really be best off in 10B. I have a pair of SJ in 9.5D, which work fairly well with thick socks...I think the SJ last is a bit narrower in forefoot than SD last.

I should add that I wear my AE with thin dress socks, but wear my White's with thicker socks generally.

I hope this helps...
post #8062 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Royteane View Post

Anyone also owned Allen Edmond? I'm 9.5e both white's sj sd last. What should be my AE 65 and 7 last size?

Whirling makes some good points. With medium-weight wool socks, I take a 9.5D in White's. With extra thick wool socks, I take a 9.5E in White's. With thin dress socks I take a 9.5C in most AE lasts, but if I wear thicker dress socks, a 9.5D is okay in AE. Mainly because not all lasts are available in a C width, especially if you buy AE seconds (which is what I normally do). The 65 last (used to be the 5 last) fits me the best due to it's long narrow shape. 65 last in 9.5C fits me the best in any AE footwear.
post #8063 of 9042

any pics of your AE's?

post #8064 of 9042
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Originally Posted by andy b. View Post

Whirling makes some good points. With medium-weight wool socks, I take a 9.5D in White's. With extra thick wool socks, I take a 9.5E in White's. With thin dress socks I take a 9.5C in most AE lasts, but if I wear thicker dress socks, a 9.5D is okay in AE. Mainly because not all lasts are available in a C width, especially if you buy AE seconds (which is what I normally do). The 65 last (used to be the 5 last) fits me the best due to it's long narrow shape. 65 last in 9.5C fits me the best in any AE footwear.
I live half world away from usa, so... no chance to try on any good shoes. Seems that I can have same size as whites but thinner socks for 65 last, am i correct?
post #8065 of 9042
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Originally Posted by Royteane View Post


I live half world away from usa, so... no chance to try on any good shoes. Seems that I can have same size as whites but thinner socks for 65 last, am i correct?

 

Although AEs have their merits, the main one is that they come in a lot of different widths and one can try them on in their stores--if one lives in the USA.  Their customer service is also great, if not the absolute best, so they will stand behind what they sell.  If you live a half world away, I would think you could do better with something else.  Not counting their shell cordovan, the leather AE uses tends to be a little underwhelming.  I believe they import most of their calfskin from China.  Without the advantage of AE being local, I would probably go with one of the European brands that are popular here on StyleForum.

 

Regarding sizing between White's and AE, you might be asking for trouble if you go the same size...I think I am the same size, but most people would say to go up a half size in length between White's and AE.  It might be safer to do that.  Although shoes that are too long are a problem, too short is more of a problem.

 

For ready-to-wear footwear, the best and, frankly, only way to know you have the best size is to try on multiple lengths until you have tried one on that was too short and one that was too long, and gone with the size in the middle--hopefully from a place that has all the appropriate half sizes.  Make sure to leave room in front of your longest toe; your longest toe is never supposed to reach the front of the shoe.  How much room in the toe will depend on the shape of the toe box and how long your toes are relative to your feet.  (I have short toes, so footwear fits me best when there is a lot of room in front of my toes.)  Ideally, you would then try on different widths, as well.  That said, the shoes should be snug in width when brand new, with room to pull the eyelets closer together for more snugness later.  If you can pull the eyelets all the way together when a shoe is brand new, the shoes are too loose.  If the shoe is actually painfully tight, with regard to width, then it is, of course, too narrow.

 

I have bought so many shoes and boots that worked okay, but weren't quite the right size, which led to them not being very comfortable down the road.  It is a huge waste of money.  It is far better to buy lesser footwear in the right size locally.  The four most important things about footwear are 1. Fit 2. Fit 3. Fit 4. Fit.  Number 5 is style roughly appropriate to their intended use.  Number 6 is quality.

post #8066 of 9042
Anyone have pictures of a pair in Natural Chromexcel after a year or two of regular use? (@hollowsleather?)
post #8067 of 9042
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Originally Posted by TH3515 View Post
 

^ Not really...the screenshots are almost impossible to read;-) Nevertheless, I tried to re-create your build and now Bakers is only 35$ more. 

 

 

The difference in the examples above comes from the celastic toe, which is 35$ extra in the Bounty Hunter build on Baker's but comes at no extra price on buildaboot.

 

To add to the confusion, I built the same boot on Baker's website but started with a Custom Smokejumper instead of the Bounty Hunter. All details are identical (lining, last, toe cap, sole, etc.) but now the boot is only $474.95. On closer inspection, I found that in this example, the lining seems to be free even with a standard leather, which is probably not the case IRL...

 

 

(Note that the pictures in the cart do not represent the actual build; they are not "dynamic")

 

Anyway, I would just call or email Kyle for a price quote.

Or just go ahead, order the cheapest of the three builds (Going through Bakers, starting with a Custom Smokejumper and adjusting the last, leather, toecap, sole etc. accordingly) and see what happens :D 

 

EDIT:  Sorry xiaopigu, I didn't see your last post before posting my reply so maybe I created unnecessary confusion...

Thanks! I asked Kyle and he said order the cheaper one :D

post #8068 of 9042
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Originally Posted by xiaopigu View Post
 

Thanks! I asked Kyle and he said order the cheaper one :D

 

Well, that is what I did.  I suppose it works.  It would imply that there is some pricing flexibility surrounding the White's.  In either case, Baker Shoe seems to charge less than going through White's directly.

post #8069 of 9042

Here are older pictures of my boots, cleaned up:

 

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Originally Posted by PaintSplattered View Post
 


Ok, I said I'd get pictures of mine so here they are:

 

 

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Black smooth a.k.a. black oil tan leather takes a beathing and cleans up well.  These boots were scrubbed hard and treated with Obenauf's oil on Tuesday.  They needed it.  As you can see from the side of the sole and the heel stack, they have been used hard, but the uppers are still going strong.  I have a pair of bullhide cowboy boots I rotate these with now, but as you can see they have taken the shape of my feet wonderfully.  I was measured for these and I couldn't be happier with the fit.  The laces come together close on the right boot because my right foot is lower in volume than my left at that spot.  

 

These are work boots for me, and if I wanted something dressier I'd get the same model and measurements with leather soles.  Only problem would be picking a leather. So many nice choices.

 

Extremely satisfied with these.

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Chawk806 View Post

Cool. Love to see what all you have buddy

 

Here are pictures from yesterday, after a few days of farm chores for a neighbor: 

 

 

 

 

If you look close you can see that I flipped the false tongue and used a leather punch to make new holes in it. I prefer it that way, since I like to fold the bellows tongue to the sides of my ankle, if that makes sense.


I like the 700 sole for walking around in sloppy conditions.  It doesn't carry a lot of mess around underneath your feet.  I stomped around in the few remaining snow drifts to clean the sides of the boots off as much as I could for four days in a row.

 

The "ledge" underneath the arch works great for when you need to stand on a ladder or climb up a gate a few feet.  Keeps the pressure spread around over a larger surface area.

 

Gotta run now but I'll do more catching up on this thread later.  

post #8070 of 9042
Very clean undead buddy. They look awesome. I do want to venture out and get something other than my western boots but little dressier with leather soles. Thanks for sharing;)
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