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post #8011 of 9044
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Originally Posted by marcusg View Post

I don't know if you have any White's with the standard last, but I'm wondering if you know the difference between the standard last and the "bounty hunter" last?  I understand the bounty hunter boot is based on the semi-dress last.  My smoke jumpers are based on the standard last and I'm getting some pinching in my toe-box.  I'm wondering if my problem could be solved by a slightly more roomy toe-box found in a different last.  Any advice?

standard last is more round and roomy than the semidress. maybe you need swing last.
post #8012 of 9044
I also have pinching in standard last but much more comfortable in semidress last.
post #8013 of 9044
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post

 

Whites gets stuck with your boots if they make them even a little too small, but can find a way to make boots a little large fit you, even if imperfectly, using inserts or whatever, so they have a bias to err on the large side.

I don't really think that is is true. I've been measured in the White's store twice and each time the fit has been super snug which is the intended fit. My dad and my brother have been fitted for White's at the store and have had no problems with fit. 

 

 

If you are really concerned about fit, ask them to send you a try on boot. Send in a tracing, they'll tell you a size, tell them to send a try on boot. Thats what I did the last time I ordered a pair using a tracing and measurements. (edit : I guess this may only be possible when ordering direct through White's. Bakers may not have enough stock for this.)

 

Also, people always mention customized lasts and such - you can also request custom measured uppers.


Edited by RickyTylerson - 2/11/16 at 6:24am
post #8014 of 9044
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Originally Posted by mr. burns View Post


standard last is more round and roomy than the semidress. maybe you need swing last.

I'm not so sure that is right. From what I've read the semi dress last is wider, and from what I've seen the semi dress last has a rounder outside toe area. 

 

If you're having a pinched area I'd suggest calling White's and seeing what they can do about it. 

post #8015 of 9044
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Originally Posted by marcusg View Post
 

I don't know if you have any White's with the standard last, but I'm wondering if you know the difference between the standard last and the "bounty hunter" last?  I understand the bounty hunter boot is based on the semi-dress last.  My smoke jumpers are based on the standard last and I'm getting some pinching in my toe-box.  I'm wondering if my problem could be solved by a slightly more roomy toe-box found in a different last.  Any advice?

The toe pinch seems to be pretty common with the SJ last. When my Farmer-Ranchers were new, they mangled my pinky toes (especially on the right foot, which is a little bigger) badly. I didn't take time to break them in but walked many miles on the first few days so it was partly my fault. The discomfort disappeared completely after a few more days of wearing them (after some days' break to give my toes time to heal;-) Now they fit like they're molded to my feet – snug but very comfortable.

 

If you look at an SJ last boot from above, you'll find that its sides are relatively straight and the tip has a somewhat angular, "square" taper. The SD/BH last on the other hand looks more curved along the side of the foot and has a more even taper at the front which looks more like your typical "dress" boot.

 

I think that the inconsistent accounts you get wrt the width / toe room of the different lasts are all correct even though they are sometimes opposing each other. They simply reflect the fact that boots and feet are part of a pretty complex equation. For example, I find the SemiDress last to be significantly wider throughout the whole boot. Sounds like good news for the toes. But to get the same secure fit I have in, say, a D width Smokejumper last boot, I would have to get the Semi Dress at least one width narrower – my C width SDs still feel too wide around the instep and heel but the toe room is now actually much tighter than in the (less tapered) SJ boots. So for my feet with narrow heel/instep and relatively wide toes, the SJ last works better.

 

If you want to increase toe width in relation to overall width, you could probably try the #38 "swing" last which has a very wide toe box. This also gives it a characteristic look that is not to everybody's taste.

Depending on where the "pinch" is located in your current SJs, you could also check if you don't actually need a longer boot: Going e.g. from a 10D to a 10.5C should result in the same width but would also give the toes more clearance.

post #8016 of 9044
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Originally Posted by RickyTylerson View Post
 

I'm not so sure that is right. From what I've read the semi dress last is wider, and from what I've seen the semi dress last has a rounder outside toe area. 

 

If you're having a pinched area I'd suggest calling White's and seeing what they can do about it. 


from most snug in the toe-box to most roomy.... (all other differences aside)

1.  standard

2.  semi-dress

3.  swing

Right?  

 

Where does the "classic" last fit in to this picture?  Thanks for your help.

post #8017 of 9044
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Originally Posted by RickyTylerson View Post
 

I don't really think that is is true. I've been measured in the White's store twice and each time the fit has been super snug which is the intended fit. My dad and my brother have been fitted for White's at the store and have had no problems with fit. 

 

 

If you are really concerned about fit, ask them to send you a try on boot. Send in a tracing, they'll tell you a size, tell them to send a try on boot. Thats what I did the last time I ordered a pair using a tracing and measurements. (edit : I guess this may only be possible when ordering direct through White's. Bakers may not have enough stock for this.)

 

Also, people always mention customized lasts and such - you can also request custom measured uppers.


Thanks for the information.  I was just going off of what a couple people had reported here.  I am glad that their experience is not universal.  A Try On boot would certainly be safer.  I suppose one could ask if Baker's can do this.

 

The limit of the Try On boot is that sometimes it takes a while to figure out if a boot fits well.  Also, unless one tries multiple sizes, it can be tough to know which is best.  However, I will admit that I have far more difficulties getting the best fit than most guys.

post #8018 of 9044
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Originally Posted by TH3515 View Post
 

The toe pinch seems to be pretty common with the SJ last. When my Farmer-Ranchers were new, they mangled my pinky toes (especially on the right foot, which is a little bigger) badly. I didn't take time to break them in but walked many miles on the first few days so it was partly my fault. The discomfort disappeared completely after a few more days of wearing them (after some days' break to give my toes time to heal;-) Now they fit like they're molded to my feet – snug but very comfortable.

 

If you look at an SJ last boot from above, you'll find that its sides are relatively straight and the tip has a somewhat angular, "square" taper. The SD/BH last on the other hand looks more curved along the side of the foot and has a more even taper at the front which looks more like your typical "dress" boot.

 

I think that the inconsistent accounts you get wrt the width / toe room of the different lasts are all correct even though they are sometimes opposing each other. They simply reflect the fact that boots and feet are part of a pretty complex equation. For example, I find the SemiDress last to be significantly wider throughout the whole boot. Sounds like good news for the toes. But to get the same secure fit I have in, say, a D width Smokejumper last boot, I would have to get the Semi Dress at least one width narrower – my C width SDs still feel too wide around the instep and heel but the toe room is now actually much tighter than in the (less tapered) SJ boots. So for my feet with narrow heel/instep and relatively wide toes, the SJ last works better.

 

If you want to increase toe width in relation to overall width, you could probably try the #38 "swing" last which has a very wide toe box. This also gives it a characteristic look that is not to everybody's taste.

Depending on where the "pinch" is located in your current SJs, you could also check if you don't actually need a longer boot: Going e.g. from a 10D to a 10.5C should result in the same width but would also give the toes more clearance.


You make many great points and share some great information.  The complexity of foot shape, in addition to other qualities of feet, certainly can make it exceedingly difficult to find the best fit.  So far, I have been happy with my SDs in 9.5 C, but I do wonder sometimes whether I would be happier in 10 B.   As I feel one can only tell once the boots are broken in, there is only one way to find out...

post #8019 of 9044

Quote:hey omnipulse,

 

I have also been dying for a roughout boot and these are almost the exact build I am looking at [even down to the 7" height, lowered block and 430 sole]. They are fantastic looking!  My question is, looking at this pic and your follow-on pics, it is a very dark brown. And yet i have seen other 'brown roughouts' that look almost golden brown, like the vibergs a few posts after your follow-on post. Is this an accurate representation of the color or is it lighter in person or brighter light?

 

Also, the only change I am considering from yours is a smooth upper, like brown cxl or British Tan because they are more supple and [I think] will be more comfortable in a higher boot. [Plus, it's a cool custom touch!] Any problems with the comfort of your uppers so far? Thanks!

 

PS for instance, these FRs are also listed as brown roughouts...

 

Originally Posted by onimpulse View Post
 

Here's the Rough Out builld I've wanted to do for awhile. Was tempted to try out Nick's but was hesitant based off the wait times I was hearing. 

Took about a month from ordering to showing up at my doorstep.

 

 

  • Last: Semi Dress (Bounty Hunter)
  • Counter Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Toe Vamp Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Upper (Shaft) Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Leather Liner: No Thanks
  • Lace Design: Plain Toe
  • Pull Loops: Leather Pull Loops
  • Celastic Toe Box: No Thanks
  • Toe Cap: Leather Toe Cap (only available on plain toe style)
  • Toe Cap Leather Color: Brown Rough Out
  • Steel Toe: No Thanks
  • Hardware: All Brass Eyes
  • Height: 7"
  • Top: Cut Top (standard)
  • Midsole: Single
  • Edge: Natural
  • Heel Base: 90 Degree Blocked off Heel (Traveler)
  • Heel Lifts: 1/4" Lower
  • Sole: Vibram 430 Mini Vib
  • Size - Length: 8.5
  • Size - Width: E

Edited by petersim - 2/12/16 at 2:18pm
post #8020 of 9044
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Originally Posted by mr. burns View Post

2 months of heavy use with my bounty hunters. they're darker than jakevoodoo's because they were initially treated with a light coat of obenauf's as they get wet and dirty from work a bit.





Looking Good, I love my 'rough' style (not roughout, but not smooth) and see them eventually getting shiny like these. Trying to keep them as rough as I can, but already see a shine on the heal from rubbing on the car carpet. 

 

Lacing:

http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/lacingmethods.htm

Any one use a special lacing on their boots?

 

Sock's:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=wool+socks&tbm=shop

What are the best pair of socks in hot weather? Anyone have a quality sock they love and feel is worth spending money on? 

 

Breaking in:

I think the inserts are working great to alive that Arch Ease Whites comes with. 

post #8021 of 9044
I use over/under on all my work boots. It makes the laces easier to tighten and loosen, especially for the ones without speed hooks.
post #8022 of 9044

I'd be interested to hear what socks everyone is using as well.

 

I've found that thorlo hiking socks are really nice. they're not overly thick but the padding is still great.

 

I also wear smart wool light hiking during the fall and warmer times - and use the smartwool mountaineering for working outside. 

post #8023 of 9044
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Little over a month of light use. I haven't had very many days outside of the office so they still look new. Yesterday I was asked if I was a Lineman, from a retired Lineman. We then had a 15 minute discussion on boots and how his White's (serious lineman working boots) were still in great shape after 20 years. He did talk about how they measured his foot with a plaster, to get a true measurement of his feet.

 

Anyone on this forum, have a mold made of their foot and got a pair of White's truly custom?

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Seems like you would have a truly custom boot with a mold cast of your feet. Any way, they are GREAT! Changes with my next pair of White's or Nick's is a more grippy sole, probably a 430 Vibram. I went with these 296 Vibram due to a better flex for a more comfortable walking boot, and really like how well they flex and are great but tried to walk up a step grade of wet grass, and kept slipping. They only other 'change' to these boots are the false tongue, it is too short and Kyle has sent out a longer one. Hopefully be here thise week. Need to get my laces tight to keep my boots from eating my socks.

 

Any one here have issues with White's eating your socks as you walk a mile or more?

 

Not a big deal, probably need new socks, (Costco black thin dress socks) as mine are old and have stretched out a bit. I'm using a thin sock to start with the thinking the leather will stretch less and have more 'give' over time. 

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Comfort:

Still like walking on a roll of penny's, but using the leather inserts make it easy to wear them all day and not have to give my feet a break any more. So it is getting better, not there yet, but the summer is coming and my feet get hot so I think after a week of 100' heat my feet will bake them in quite nicely. 

 

Over all impressions after a month:

Still amazed at how well they are made, (Nicest boot I have ever owned) and how well they are fitted. I have wide feet FFFF and you can see from the pictures they are perfectly wide enough for my feet. My choice of Vibram isn't a popular one, but I'm still liking how they move and flex with my feet. The sole isn't nearly as solid as some of the other Vibram options, but I think for my light duty needs they are perfect. and still should last years before they need to be resoled. I highly recommend White's to anyone wanting a quality boot. 

 

 

 

I didn't have a mold made of my foot, but I did have custom measurements taken for a customized last.  The dealer has sold White's for a long time and there is only one person who does the measuring if you order a pair.  I couldn't ask for a better fit, to be honest.  She measured for uppers too, I'm not sure if that's standard or not.  If you can get full measured by a dealer, with a measuring tape to have a customized last made, I highly recommend it.  I haven't regretted it once.  I've always had trouble finding well fitting shoes or boots, and my feet aren't all that strange either.  I covered this in the Wesco thread recently.

 

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Originally Posted by Sunstealer73 View Post

I use over/under on all my work boots. It makes the laces easier to tighten and loosen, especially for the ones without speed hooks.

 

I use this too, it's awesome for a few reasons: it's fast, I can pull my laces snug and then flex my feet to get the tension "just so" instead of fiddling with it over and over all day, and (in my experience, at least) I feel the laces less on top of my instep as my feet swell towards the end of the day.

 

With this lacing I don't think I'd have a problem with an all eyelet boot at all.  

 

After the eyelets end, I've gone back to using the 2-1-3 lacing to see if I can feel a difference. Since I broke my boots in this way, the leather folds as if the boots were laced this way no matter what, so I can't tell a huge difference.  It's comfortable though. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by RickyTylerson View Post
 

I'd be interested to hear what socks everyone is using as well.

 

I've found that thorlo hiking socks are really nice. they're not overly thick but the padding is still great.

 

I also wear smart wool light hiking during the fall and warmer times - and use the smartwool mountaineering for working outside. 

 

I use FITS light weight wool socks and Fox River light weight wool.  My feet get hot easily.  I wore that weight of sock when I was measured because I knew that's what I would wear all year and be comfortable.  It works for me, and the light weight pairs I have are padded over the toes and heels as well as the footbed. 

 

I like both, but honestly FITS aren't twice as nice as Fox River.  Depending on where you buy them they can cost nearly twice as much though.  That is just my experience though.

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I like REI lightwight wool hiking socks and their somewhat lighter "everyday" wool socks in summer. 

post #8025 of 9044
I love the different weights of LL Bean merino wool hiking socks. They have a higher percentage of wool than some others, which works better for me. The less artificial fibers in my socks, the less clammy they feel...odd thing with my feet, I guess.

Also, LL Bean has one of the best lifetime satisfaction guarantees in the country. They really mean it. As an aside, Nordstrom is also fantastic in this regard.
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