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post #7951 of 8702

I thought I'd cross-post these here, since the Wesco thread is pretty slow.  We all like boots, too, so why not!  Thanks for letting me share!

 

Wesco 10" Packer in Burgundy Domain, Nickel Eyelets, Heels 1 lift higher, Vibram 430

 

 

 

 

 

post #7952 of 8702

Hey Jake:

 

Gotta say I'm a bit puzzled by all the talk of problems with the arch ease, break in, inserts/spacers, etc. I've been on this board a while and can't remember anyone having such major difficulty. If I read you right, you seem to be saying that the boots you received are "bad" and unwearable without some kind of insert. This leads me to think that this situation may have been caused by one or several factors:

 

a) there was an error in sizing and you need a different length and/or width

b) the boots were somehow defectively made

c) you have irregular feet - e.g. "flat feet", highly arched feet

d) some combination of these things

 

My experience with White's (I have 6 pairs now) is that if they are properly sized and everything else in order, break in isn't all that bad and certainly doesn't involve major pain and inconvenience. My distressed smooth BHs were the toughest to break in, but were not uncomfortable out of the box. Now they are very comfy indeed. My CXL pairs did not require major break in. There was some adjustment to the White's "arch ease" with my first pair, but it wasn't truly that difficult. Now I don't find any other boot or shoe to be more comfortable for standing/walking for long periods of time.

 

So, I wonder if you need to assess what the deal is with your particular boots by exploring the factors above?

 

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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

Hey -

Break-in is going quite well, much better than before. Had to make a few adjustments and will make a few more in a few days, but here is an up date on what I have got so far. 

 

.....

 

They are made to help brake in White's boots! I'm going to try them tomorrow and see how well they work. Since I had really good luck with the sample leather ( Distressed Smooth) I'm going to try one of each on the left and right boot and see how they fair. I'll switch it up the next day for comparison. 

 

 

I am convinced that the Arch ease is different for each boot, not sure how anyone could wear my boots or Whites that are brand new and say they are not bad. I feel the arch ease on the inside of my feet, along the arch of my foot ( I have high arches ) and it isn't bad, but the outside of my feet or flat part that I walk on is very uncomfortable. These spacers give that outside arch less bite, and make the boots almost a joy to wear ( only in comparison, still need about 2 months to really feel 'comfortable') 

 

I'll update in a few days let you know how the new leather inserts designed for Whites Arch ease break-in perform. 

 

Still love the boots, first real pair of shoes I have owned and still marvel how well made they are. The thick leather and craftsmanship is fantastic. My wife is kidding me about how much I like the boots, but i really do like these boots. Already thinking about a black pair for the office and church. 

post #7953 of 8702
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Originally Posted by Engineer05 View Post
 

I thought I'd cross-post these here, since the Wesco thread is pretty slow.  We all like boots, too, so why not!  Thanks for letting me share!

 

Wesco 10" Packer in Burgundy Domain, Nickel Eyelets, Heels 1 lift higher, Vibram 430

 

*snip*

@Engineer05 love everything about those boots. Excellent in every way imo.

 

 

Have a pair of Bounty Hunters inbound that should be here Monday. Not the craziest makeup but had a little fun with some of the details after keeping things pretty straightforward on my Semi Dresses and Classic Work Boots.

post #7954 of 8702

spurs61,

 

Yea I got really wide feet with a high arch. The inserts I have been wearing in the boot really help with comfort. I think the fit is right on, and the only issue with them is the Arch Ease. Every thing else is perfect! After wearing crappy boots for years the difference or jump up in quality with White's is astonishing. Really love the boots, just having a hard time with the Arch Ease. 

 

I feel it on the inside of my foot with the high arch not really an issue and can see how this will help with comfort. The only sore spot is the Arche Ease on the outside of the foot were my feet a flat on the sole. That hump on that side is quite large and after a few hours is quite painful. The inserts really help and I can already feel a difference. Hoping that I as I wear them the Arch Ease on the outside under the inserts will flatten out over time and I won't need the inserts, or notice hump on the outside of the sole. 

 

They are really well fitted, tight in the heal and loose at the toes. They are even a half size smaller than i usually wear, but think that is good to show they fit quite well. The inserts really help, and I think after a month of wear will be perfect. I'll update along the way. I'm used to running bare foot or with sneakers since It took almost 6 months to get the White's to me, and that also might be an issue. Either way, They are getting better every day. 

 

post #7955 of 8702

I visited one of the few White's dealers on the East Coast...Flemington Department Store in Flemington, New Jersey.  Folks were nice there...had a small stock of Semi-Dress and Smoke Jumpers.  Also, they stocked Wesco Bosses.  Marty, the senior guy in the footwear department, was the only guy who knew much about them.  I ordered some custom Wesco Jobmasters.  In addition to rewarding them for having stock to try on, they also offered discounts off of MSRP.   I don't know the actual discount because I was told he would figure it out when he called Wesco to place the order.  He stated it would be at least 10-15%, probably more, which I think is pretty good for this type of thing.

 

The store is quite a throwback...being a genuine department store, with furniture, appliances, as well as clothing and footwear.  The clothing and footwear leans toward blue collar and uniform type things.  I didn't realize quite how many different types of folding knives and black flashlights existed in the world.  I found it a cool place with good, if not the absolutely best, prices.  If sounds tempting to you, I would say check it out.  If it doesn't sound tempting, then, I'm not trying to convince you.  :-)

 

Regards,

Jon

post #7956 of 8702

I just got a pair of loggers off ebay and the fit is perfect (and my normal size, don't know why they'd guide people to do otherwise), but I can say that I have VERY flat feet* and the arches are kind of a pain.

 

 

* once when I went to a physical therapist and they wanted me to walk barefoot to observe my gait the person I was seeing called the other PTs over to marvel at how flat my feet are.

post #7957 of 8702
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Originally Posted by oulipien View Post
 

I just got a pair of loggers off ebay and the fit is perfect (and my normal size, don't know why they'd guide people to do otherwise), but I can say that I have VERY flat feet* and the arches are kind of a pain.

 

 

* once when I went to a physical therapist and they wanted me to walk barefoot to observe my gait the person I was seeing called the other PTs over to marvel at how flat my feet are.


Well, a lot of people do best with a full size down from their standard sneakers, but this why buying boots overt the Internet is such a crapshoot.  One will even hear stories about people sending in their tracings and getting boots that don't fit well at all.  That said, if you feel these are the right size for you, then great.  Sometimes, the arch not feeling good is a sign of having the wrong size.   Sometimes, it just means you need to get used to them.  Rarely, it may mean these aren't the best boots for a particular person.

 

The most common reason one wouldn't need to get a smaller than their usual size in White's is that they have long arches (which is the same thing as saying short toes), relative to their overall foot length.

 

Then there is the whole width deal...I have come to the realization that my feet are a little narrow.  

post #7958 of 8702

^ The width thing is huge.

 

I love my Whites, I'm a C.  Previously, the only C shoes I owned were also workboots, but Red Wings.  They would measure you in the shop and then would do a custom order.


I have vowed to do the same with any shoes I buy in the future meaning buy them width sized correctly.

post #7959 of 8702

I still wonder if the difficulty is that the boots are not sized correctly given that the use of an insert fixes the pain issue. It seems that when White's are not sized correctly the arch ease does not meet the foot correctly, causing pain. On the other hand, it is true that the arch ease feels very pronounced at first and then eases after break in (both of the boots and the foot).

 

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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

spurs61,

 

Yea I got really wide feet with a high arch. The inserts I have been wearing in the boot really help with comfort. I think the fit is right on, and the only issue with them is the Arch Ease. Every thing else is perfect! After wearing crappy boots for years the difference or jump up in quality with White's is astonishing. Really love the boots, just having a hard time with the Arch Ease. 

 

I feel it on the inside of my foot with the high arch not really an issue and can see how this will help with comfort. The only sore spot is the Arche Ease on the outside of the foot were my feet a flat on the sole. That hump on that side is quite large and after a few hours is quite painful. The inserts really help and I can already feel a difference. Hoping that I as I wear them the Arch Ease on the outside under the inserts will flatten out over time and I won't need the inserts, or notice hump on the outside of the sole. 

 

They are really well fitted, tight in the heal and loose at the toes. They are even a half size smaller than i usually wear, but think that is good to show they fit quite well. The inserts really help, and I think after a month of wear will be perfect. I'll update along the way. I'm used to running bare foot or with sneakers since It took almost 6 months to get the White's to me, and that also might be an issue. Either way, They are getting better every day. 

 

post #7960 of 8702

Wow, as a denizen of central NJ, I had no idea Flemington Dept. Store carried White's and Wescos! Guess where I'll be visiting this weekend ...

 

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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post
 

I visited one of the few White's dealers on the East Coast...Flemington Department Store in Flemington, New Jersey.  Folks were nice there...had a small stock of Semi-Dress and Smoke Jumpers.  Also, they stocked Wesco Bosses.  Marty, the senior guy in the footwear department, was the only guy who knew much about them.  I ordered some custom Wesco Jobmasters.  In addition to rewarding them for having stock to try on, they also offered discounts off of MSRP.   I don't know the actual discount because I was told he would figure it out when he called Wesco to place the order.  He stated it would be at least 10-15%, probably more, which I think is pretty good for this type of thing.

 

The store is quite a throwback...being a genuine department store, with furniture, appliances, as well as clothing and footwear.  The clothing and footwear leans toward blue collar and uniform type things.  I didn't realize quite how many different types of folding knives and black flashlights existed in the world.  I found it a cool place with good, if not the absolutely best, prices.  If sounds tempting to you, I would say check it out.  If it doesn't sound tempting, then, I'm not trying to convince you.  :-)

 

Regards,

Jon

post #7961 of 8702
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Originally Posted by NorthCoast View Post

^ The width thing is huge.

I love my Whites, I'm a C.  Previously, the only C shoes I owned were also workboots, but Red Wings.  They would measure you in the shop and then would do a custom order.

I have vowed to do the same with any shoes I buy in the future meaning buy them width sized correctly.

Totally. The real curse of getting into better quality footwear is that I've realized how many variables there are that aren't captured in "size". Just like how I used to think I wore 30W/30L pants, and some just worked fine and others I didn't like, I now know that I like certain tapers, and rises, and actual waist measurements, and breaks, etc. With shoes, it used to be "7", and now I know that it is really more like 6.5B/C with low volume and moderate arch.

The good news is that I'm now more patient about sizing, expect new purchases from a brand I haven't worn before to go through a few sizing iterations and returns, or a specific sizing exercise through someone like Bakers. The result though is that I like my footwear a lot more now, and I'm wearing more comfortable boots and shoes than I ever have before.

I've also become more savvy to small modifications to make a boot fit better. It used to be just "throw in a thick insole", but that pushes the foot UP too much. Now I use a combination of thin heel pads, tongue pads and thin insoles to slightly adjust the fit. More people need this than realize it - many of the "well this last must not work for you" issues can be corrected. If you have to go crazy on the boot to make it fit then you probably need a different size, but sometimes you'll be on the best possible size and still need to tweak. The thin skivved pads shown to "even out" the arch ease seem like a great example, and I don't see it as cheating at all.

I use 2mm and 3mm merino wool felt, which I buy on Etsy (seller "feltplanet"), though any wool felt can work well. I cut shapes to tweak the fit, then tack them in place with a few dabs of Shoe Goo. It breaks in like leather does, and unlike the foam pads from the drug store, they don't fall apart, and don't harbor stink.

The ski boot world is very friendly to modification. They come in "mondopoint" sizing, which is based on actual cm's length, but of course that is just one variable to fit. The boot liners get heat molded, shells get punched out, thin wedges get put in to move your foot around, etc. It is extremely rare for a ski boot to fit someone without modification, yet we expect that every time with regular footwear.
post #7962 of 8702
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Originally Posted by phidauex View Post

Totally. The real curse of getting into better quality footwear is that I've realized how many variables there are that aren't captured in "size". Just like how I used to think I wore 30W/30L pants, and some just worked fine and others I didn't like, I now know that I like certain tapers, and rises, and actual waist measurements, and breaks, etc. With shoes, it used to be "7", and now I know that it is really more like 6.5B/C with low volume and moderate arch.

The good news is that I'm now more patient about sizing, expect new purchases from a brand I haven't worn before to go through a few sizing iterations and returns, or a specific sizing exercise through someone like Bakers. The result though is that I like my footwear a lot more now, and I'm wearing more comfortable boots and shoes than I ever have before.

I've also become more savvy to small modifications to make a boot fit better. It used to be just "throw in a thick insole", but that pushes the foot UP too much. Now I use a combination of thin heel pads, tongue pads and thin insoles to slightly adjust the fit. More people need this than realize it - many of the "well this last must not work for you" issues can be corrected. If you have to go crazy on the boot to make it fit then you probably need a different size, but sometimes you'll be on the best possible size and still need to tweak. The thin skivved pads shown to "even out" the arch ease seem like a great example, and I don't see it as cheating at all.

I use 2mm and 3mm merino wool felt, which I buy on Etsy (seller "feltplanet"), though any wool felt can work well. I cut shapes to tweak the fit, then tack them in place with a few dabs of Shoe Goo. It breaks in like leather does, and unlike the foam pads from the drug store, they don't fall apart, and don't harbor stink.

The ski boot world is very friendly to modification. They come in "mondopoint" sizing, which is based on actual cm's length, but of course that is just one variable to fit. The boot liners get heat molded, shells get punched out, thin wedges get put in to move your foot around, etc. It is extremely rare for a ski boot to fit someone without modification, yet we expect that every time with regular footwear.

I really enjoyed this post...I have had very similar experiences and frustrations. Sadly, once one starts paying attention to these things, there is no going back.
post #7963 of 8702
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Originally Posted by spurs61 View Post


Just be aware they only carry black, regular-toe SJ's. Some black, I believe CXL, SD's with Vib 700 soles. Some Wesco black Bosses, and some Hathorn Explorers. Then, I am not sure how extensively they stock the different sizes...I just don't want to raise your hopes too high.
post #7964 of 8702

These are so Cool looking, might be the best pair of whites that I have seen so far!

 

I am in the process of trying to decide what to order, and these might just be the pair I will copy!

 

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Originally Posted by FlyingGiraffes View Post
 

 

Thanks. Bounty hunter, black smooth, size 6D, 8" tall, rolled top, pull loops, black stitching, black edge, standard heel. Boots turned out amazing I just wish they were more comfortable.

 

 

 

 

This image shows how severe the drop is from the heel.

 

 

 

post #7965 of 8702

Here's the Rough Out builld I've wanted to do for awhile. Was tempted to try out Nick's but was hesitant based off the wait times I was hearing. 

Took about a month from ordering to showing up at my doorstep.

 

 

  • Last: Semi Dress (Bounty Hunter)
  • Counter Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Toe Vamp Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Upper (Shaft) Leather: Brown Rough Out
  • Leather Liner: No Thanks
  • Lace Design: Plain Toe
  • Pull Loops: Leather Pull Loops
  • Celastic Toe Box: No Thanks
  • Toe Cap: Leather Toe Cap (only available on plain toe style)
  • Toe Cap Leather Color: Brown Rough Out
  • Steel Toe: No Thanks
  • Hardware: All Brass Eyes
  • Height: 7"
  • Top: Cut Top (standard)
  • Midsole: Single
  • Edge: Natural
  • Heel Base: 90 Degree Blocked off Heel (Traveler)
  • Heel Lifts: 1/4" Lower
  • Sole: Vibram 430 Mini Vib
  • Size - Length: 8.5
  • Size - Width: E
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