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post #7936 of 8713

very nice, dude. post wear pix as you break em in.

post #7937 of 8713
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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

Nice boots, I got the same leather and style, but 6' and Vibram 269 sole. My false tongue was to short, but a big deal but construction and quality were outstanding. The Arch Ease is killing my foot. The arch or inside of the boots is great, but the arch ease on the outside of the boots or killing my foot. Always surprised when someone states how comfortable they are out of the box. I had 2 try-on pairs and they both had that wicked ledge feel in the boot. So it wasn't a shock when I got my custom pair with the same ledge. Good luck with them they look like they will last a 100 years. 

pix of these?

post #7938 of 8713

 

Will post some more pic's and update on break-in when I get home. 

post #7939 of 8713

Hey -

Break-in is going quite well, much better than before. Had to make a few adjustments and will make a few more in a few days, but here is an up date on what I have got so far. 

 

Not a good answer for me, but comfortable...

 

 

AMAZON.COM look up 'Tuli's Standard Heel Cup'

 

They are very comfortable, but due to the almost perfect fit of the boot, I find them way to thick and even though the bottom of my foot is comfortable, the extra 'stuff' in the boot is just too much. If you got a little room to spare then they are a good $10 option. 

 

 

What has been working....

 

Looks familiar? It should, it the sample leather I got from Bakers. It works great in the heal,lifts enough to get over the 'Arch Ease' pain, but not to thick as to make you feel like the boot is to tight. It really works, I can wear them all day with only a bit of discomfort. The pain I feel on the outside of my foot is gone when these are in the boots. These do the trick!! 

 

 

Just got these tonight...

 

 

'The American Cowboy' 801-295-7433 (previous poster got them before me and I ordered immediately) 

 

They are made to help brake in White's boots! I'm going to try them tomorrow and see how well they work. Since I had really good luck with the sample leather ( Distressed Smooth) I'm going to try one of each on the left and right boot and see how they fair. I'll switch it up the next day for comparison. 

 

 

I am convinced that the Arch ease is different for each boot, not sure how anyone could wear my boots or Whites that are brand new and say they are not bad. I feel the arch ease on the inside of my feet, along the arch of my foot ( I have high arches ) and it isn't bad, but the outside of my feet or flat part that I walk on is very uncomfortable. These spacers give that outside arch less bite, and make the boots almost a joy to wear ( only in comparison, still need about 2 months to really feel 'comfortable') 

 

I'll update in a few days let you know how the new leather inserts designed for Whites Arch ease break-in perform. 

 

Still love the boots, first real pair of shoes I have owned and still marvel how well made they are. The thick leather and craftsmanship is fantastic. My wife is kidding me about how much I like the boots, but i really do like these boots. Already thinking about a black pair for the office and church. 

post #7940 of 8713
mine are fully broken in and have been pain free now for a week or two. truly amazing how they feel now but it's crazy that it took a month or so of working in them on my feet 40 hours a week, plus casual use to get to this point. so worth it though. complete support and now that the heel has worn in a bit and the midsole has formed a bit, my walking feels much smoother and easier.
post #7941 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

Hey -

Break-in is going quite well, much better than before. Had to make a few adjustments and will make a few more in a few days, but here is an up date on what I have got so far. 

 

Not a good answer for me, but comfortable...

 

 

AMAZON.COM look up 'Tuli's Standard Heel Cup'

 

They are very comfortable, but due to the almost perfect fit of the boot, I find them way to thick and even though the bottom of my foot is comfortable, the extra 'stuff' in the boot is just too much. If you got a little room to spare then they are a good $10 option. 

 

 

What has been working....

 

Looks familiar? It should, it the sample leather I got from Bakers. It works great in the heal,lifts enough to get over the 'Arch Ease' pain, but not to thick as to make you feel like the boot is to tight. It really works, I can wear them all day with only a bit of discomfort. The pain I feel on the outside of my foot is gone when these are in the boots. These do the trick!! 

 

 

Just got these tonight...

 

 

'The American Cowboy' 801-295-7433 (previous poster got them before me and I ordered immediately) 

 

They are made to help brake in White's boots! I'm going to try them tomorrow and see how well they work. Since I had really good luck with the sample leather ( Distressed Smooth) I'm going to try one of each on the left and right boot and see how they fair. I'll switch it up the next day for comparison. 

 

 

I am convinced that the Arch ease is different for each boot, not sure how anyone could wear my boots or Whites that are brand new and say they are not bad. I feel the arch ease on the inside of my feet, along the arch of my foot ( I have high arches ) and it isn't bad, but the outside of my feet or flat part that I walk on is very uncomfortable. These spacers give that outside arch less bite, and make the boots almost a joy to wear ( only in comparison, still need about 2 months to really feel 'comfortable') 

 

I'll update in a few days let you know how the new leather inserts designed for Whites Arch ease break-in perform. 

 

Still love the boots, first real pair of shoes I have owned and still marvel how well made they are. The thick leather and craftsmanship is fantastic. My wife is kidding me about how much I like the boots, but i really do like these boots. Already thinking about a black pair for the office and church. 

How do you keep the inserts from sliding forward? I tried a lot of inserts/insoles on a pair of boots that were too wide (not White's) and most of them kept sliding around in the boots. I tried double-sided adhesive tape but it didn't keep the inserts from moving and left a sticky residue in the boots...

post #7942 of 8713

Answer from above...

I thought I would have the same issue with the inserts sliding forwards, but it turns out that the arch-ease is so pronounced that it creates a line across the sole of the boot and stops the inserts from moving forward. I tie the boots tight, not uncomfortable tight, but pretty snug and the inserts stays put. I'm still debating on if I'm going to glue them in once I find the best fit per boot. 

 

 

 

Question?

These are the first boots I have owned that have plenty of wiggle room in the toes and are comfortably snug in the heal, why is this a good thing?

In this forum and in White's literature it talks about have plenty of room in the toe section of the boot as a positive, not sure why. My old boots, all of them were all snug in the toe section and I'm accustomed to that fit why is the extra space in the toes a good thing? If you look at cowboy boots it is the opposite, they are pointy and very tight in the toes, so their must be a scientific reason White's makes a more bulbous boot. 

post #7943 of 8713

basic design goes back to the civil war era,  not too fashion conscious then?

post #7944 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post

Answer from above...
I thought I would have the same issue with the inserts sliding forwards, but it turns out that the arch-ease is so pronounced that it creates a line across the sole of the boot and stops the inserts from moving forward. I tie the boots tight, not uncomfortable tight, but pretty snug and the inserts stays put. I'm still debating on if I'm going to glue them in once I find the best fit per boot. 



Question?
These are the first boots I have owned that have plenty of wiggle room in the toes and are comfortably snug in the heal, why is this a good thing?
In this forum and in White's literature it talks about have plenty of room in the toe section of the boot as a positive, not sure why. My old boots, all of them were all snug in the toe section and I'm accustomed to that fit why is the extra space in the toes a good thing? If you look at cowboy boots it is the opposite, they are pointy and very tight in the toes, so their must be a scientific reason White's makes a more bulbous boot. 

Just plain comfort. There are situations (boot uses) for which you'd want it to be snug. The cowboy boots example you gave for instance, where the primary goal of the design is to allow for easy entry and exiting from a stirrup (and the heel is high to keep the boot in place there. You will find that the whites western boots are similarly pointed. If you are talking about a boot meant for traveling long distances over uneven terrain, you'd want it tight all around, because if the toes need to work to stop from sliding around in the boot, you'll tire out the small muscles. The whole point of a boot (vs a shoe) is to protect the ankle, but the more you restrict a foot the less comfortable it will be, so whites designs (most models of) its boots for the environment they target: physical work in mixed terrain without excessive hiking. The goal is to protect the foot and prevent ankle roll while allowing toe comfort.
post #7945 of 8713

wiggle room for toes and snug heel is something I want in every shoe. if your toes can't move then you're going to be uncomfortable, if your heel is loose you're going to walk weird.

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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post

 

Question?

These are the first boots I have owned that have plenty of wiggle room in the toes and are comfortably snug in the heal, why is this a good thing?

 

post #7946 of 8713
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Originally Posted by RickyTylerson View Post
 


I prefer snug all around though -- the leather stretches after use anyway, so fits your feet basically ^^

post #7947 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

Answer from above...

I thought I would have the same issue with the inserts sliding forwards, but it turns out that the arch-ease is so pronounced that it creates a line across the sole of the boot and stops the inserts from moving forward. I tie the boots tight, not uncomfortable tight, but pretty snug and the inserts stays put. I'm still debating on if I'm going to glue them in once I find the best fit per boot. 

 

 

 

Question?

These are the first boots I have owned that have plenty of wiggle room in the toes and are comfortably snug in the heal, why is this a good thing?

In this forum and in White's literature it talks about have plenty of room in the toe section of the boot as a positive, not sure why. My old boots, all of them were all snug in the toe section and I'm accustomed to that fit why is the extra space in the toes a good thing? If you look at cowboy boots it is the opposite, they are pointy and very tight in the toes, so their must be a scientific reason White's makes a more bulbous boot. 

 

You're toes have everything to do with your balance.  I would bet that has something to do with it.  Talk to anyone that has had their big toe or more amputated because of diabetes.  Without a big toe your balance is way off,  Having the rear of your foot locked in but the front of the foot free would definitely add to normal balance.  It's like your hearing.  When you lose it on one ear it affects your balance as well.  I'm the one that told you about the American Cowboy and the inserts.  I hope they work as well for you as they did for me.  I just tried them out to see if they worked and when I realized they did I glued them in there with shoe goo after cleaning the area with Rubbing alcohol.  Then I immediately put them on and wore them for a while and walked around in them which helped cement the spacers in there.  Don't put too much glue on them though unless you want your socks and feet glued in there as well.:D  I whent sparingly and with a very thin coat of the Shoe Goo so that when I stepped into them itwouldn't squish out onto my socks.,  I did have one come "unglued" down the road but I just re-cleaned the area and glued it back in.  It hasn't come out again.  They are still there and that arch support is still pronounced even now that they are broken in but it's not objectionable at all.  It's almost like a foot massage when I walk around in them.  It actually feels pretty good.  As my swing-lasted SJ's are getting more broken in they feel even better.  The arch ease in them is perfect.  The arch ease in the Swing Last actually increases as they break in.  It's really nice but not as pronounced as a standard arch ease like in the standard SJ.  It's definitely there but not as much as in the standard SJ's with the spacers.  The Classic Last I have in the CWB's has an arch support that is nice to as it is almost imperceptible now that they are well broken in.,  It's there but I can barely feel it is there.  I do have pretty flat feet those so anyone else's opinions will vary.

I will also add that depending on the last some White's boots such as the standard SJ last have far more volume than other lasts.  The Classic last on my CWB's is roomy in the toe area also as are my Swing Lasted SJ's.  Other lasts, I would think might be tighter in the toe box


Edited by trvlr472 - 1/28/16 at 8:57pm
post #7948 of 8713

I just ordered my first pair of White's Semi Dress boots. I wore White's Smokejumpers as a firefighter and I'm looking forward to getting back in a pair. My question is - what is the current lead time for shipment from Baker's? Do they build them in house or do they just distribute them?

post #7949 of 8713
seems to be just under a month right now, from order to arriving on your doorstep. baker distributes them but they can add/do extra things because they have cobblers of their own. i think they're responsible for making the smoke jumper on a semi dress last and calling it the bounty hunter and they're probably white's number 1 distributor, so they probably have a pretty close relationship. not sure if they have any hand in the construction/finishing of the boots if you don't request any special instructions.
post #7950 of 8713
I got two pair of White's from Baker's recently...both arrived at about exactly one month from ordering on my doorstep. Baker's, as the above mentioned poster stated, is just a retailer for White's, but...

1. They charge a little less than going direct.
2. They may provide different sizing advice.
3. They may offer certain leathers and other designs that you can't order directly from White's. Not because Baker's is making the boots, but because of areangements they have in place with White's.
4. Nobody else offers the "Bounty Hunter," but you can order a Smoke Jumper on the Semi-Dress last from White's...for example.
5. Baker's has great customer service. Specifically, I have enjoyed working with Kyle. At the moment, though, he just left for a 10-day vacation.
6. I have never ordered directly from White's, so I can't really say how they are.
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