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post #7921 of 8713
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Originally Posted by Whirling View Post


Perhaps because I have worn arch-ease ready-to-wear White's previously, I find it comfortable from the get-go. I actually find it a little more comfortable in the narrower width. Sadly, different people find different types of footwear comfortable. I lnow guys who work full days in flip flops because nothing else feels as good to them. I still recommend you keep pressing Baker's on the fit, assuming you sent in tracings and measurements. They guarantee it right?

Some rough-out leather has too much nap, aka too fuzzy, but the rough-out on these has a nice look and feel...very pleasing to me and I have some very expensive bench-made shoes. As even "unlined" SDs have lined vamps, I can't swear what the other side looks like. However, on other rough-out boots, the inside looks and feels just like the outside on regular boots.

Here are a couple more photos...I am wearing them with a suit because that is what I put on this morning. I wouldn't advocate that for these particular SDs, but sometime I just don't care... :-)



That is why Im getting a pair in Black, want to be able to wear with black pants. But, it my wearing black it means it is a more business or professional setting and I think the Semi-Dress in all black is perfect for the setting. I'm leaning towards your exact configuration but in all rough out. Going to break in my current pair first and see if I need to adjust the size before I order my second pair. Thanks!

post #7922 of 8713
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Originally Posted by linafelt View Post
 

 

Just curious, what do you do with the duct tape..?


Put it on top of your skin just like a bandaid. 

post #7923 of 8713
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Originally Posted by marcusg View Post
 


Put it on top of your skin just like a bandaid. 

 

Right on. Very punk rock.

post #7924 of 8713
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Originally Posted by linafelt View Post
 

 

Right on. Very punk rock.


I like to try and get the tape on as soon as I notice the discomfort and before it actually wears into a blister or sore.  This works for backpacks, boots, and anywhere you need extra (yet temporary) tough "skin".

post #7925 of 8713
For blisters prevention and treatment, I have had good results with New-Skin Liquid Bandage...It is best to use it at the very first sign you might develop a blister somewhere...in the past, I have used Dr. Scholl's moleskin with good results
post #7926 of 8713
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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

 

Don't do the "soak 'em and wear 'em trick"  You will destroy them.  That is right from White's CEO.  When I bought my Smoke Jumpers the arch support in the right boot was just as you describe.  It was real bad.  The salesman where I bought mine recommended a glue in spacer in the heel area.  It didn't take much.  They make them in different thicknesses.  I bought the thinnest one and got some "shoo goo" and glued them in the heel area.  Shazamm!! Problem solved.  The arch support was still quite noticeable but that "bite" on the outer edge of my right foot went away and all it took a a 1/16" "spacer he had right there on the shelf.  I put one in both boots and they are still there to this day. 

 

What exactly is the spacer?  Can you post a link and/or a picture of what it looks like in your boot?

 

I always have that 'bite' - which goes away to some degree, but its always there.  I wouldn't mind trying something to eliminate it.

post #7927 of 8713
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Originally Posted by Kissmyanthia View Post
 

What exactly is the spacer?  Can you post a link and/or a picture of what it looks like in your boot?

 

I always have that 'bite' - which goes away to some degree, but its always there.  I wouldn't mind trying something to eliminate it.

 

I couldn't tell you what they are actually called.  I bought my first pair and second pair of White's from "The American Cowboy" in West Bountiful,UT.  They have tons of White's in stock although I had to order the CWB's through them.  If I remember correctly the salesman's name was "Jed" but don't quote me on that.  It's been a couple of years and I don't live in UT anymore.  I could be wrong on the name.  He was quite knowledgeable about fitting and such.   When I told him the boots fit perfect but the arch was just too much he suggested the heel spacer that glues in.  They had them right there in the store.  Like he said, it doesn't take much.  I think mine were 1/16" and made a HUGE difference.  You may want to call and talk to someone there and see if they'll mail you a couple pairs.  They are cheap so you could order a few different thicknesses and try them before you glue them in.  That's what I did.

 

Today:9:00 am - 7:00 pm

Tomorrow:9:00 am - 7:00 pm

1450 W 400 N,

West Bountiful, UT 84087

(801) 295-7433

 

I'm assuming this is the right information for the store, There certainly can't be more than one American Cowboy store in West Bountiful, UT.  The street is right so it's the same store.

 

It's very doubtful that I could get a pic of it at the bottom of a 10" SJ.  I'm not that good of a photographer and even if I could you would never notice it.  It's just a real thin piece of leather that is glued in there.

post #7928 of 8713
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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

 

I couldn't tell you what they are actually called.  I bought my first pair and second pair of White's from "The American Cowboy" in West Bountiful,UT.  They have tons of White's in stock although I had to order the CWB's through them.  If I remember correctly the salesman's name was "Jed" but don't quote me on that.  It's been a couple of years and I don't live in UT anymore.  I could be wrong on the name.  He was quite knowledgeable about fitting and such.   When I told him the boots fit perfect but the arch was just too much he suggested the heel spacer that glues in.  They had them right there in the store.  Like he said, it doesn't take much.  I think mine were 1/16" and made a HUGE difference.  You may want to call and talk to someone there and see if they'll mail you a couple pairs.  They are cheap so you could order a few different thicknesses and try them before you glue them in.  That's what I did.

 

Today:9:00 am - 7:00 pm

Tomorrow:9:00 am - 7:00 pm

1450 W 400 N,

West Bountiful, UT 84087

(801) 295-7433

 

I'm assuming this is the right information for the store, There certainly can't be more than one American Cowboy store in West Bountiful, UT.  The street is right so it's the same store.

 

It's very doubtful that I could get a pic of it at the bottom of a 10" SJ.  I'm not that good of a photographer and even if I could you would never notice it.  It's just a real thin piece of leather that is glued in there.

COOL, Just ordered the leather inserts! Will take some pictures when they get here. THANKS!!

post #7929 of 8713
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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

COOL, Just ordered the leather inserts! Will take some pictures when they get here. THANKS!!


I hope they work for you!

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Hello there, first time poster but I have probably read through most of this thread twice when researching prospective work boots. I ordered a pair of oxfords awhile back as a test pair. I wore them as my casual, no-important-meetings-day work shoes for about half a year. In December I went for a pair of Bounty Hunters and they were delivered today.

 

7"

Bounty Hunter

Distressed Smooth

Vib 100

Cuban Heel

Single midsole

Lace to toe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fit is superb. Going from the oxford, which I believe is the standard last, to the SD, was perfect for me. Both are 8.5 EE but the BH is a bit wider all around, just enough that they will be wearable with both thin and thick socks unlike the oxfords, which really only have room for a thin to medium sock. Kyle was very helpful in answering my questions about size when I opted to change lasts. I can't wait to get them on and kick around in the woods (or crush some zombies, whichever comes first).

 

I wanted to comment about the finishing though. The photos without laces are right out of the box. This is actually the third pair of footwear delivered from Bakers: first was a pair of oxfords that went back due to sizing issues, second the oxfords i wear now, and third these boots. You can see from the pics above that one boot has a fairly obvious stain of some sort. There is also a decent scuff on the edge and a nice nick in the leather on the other boot, which I dont think I took a pic of. I am going to be wearing these in the woods and marshes for work purposes, so in no time I'll do a lot worse to them. However, all the pairs I have received had finishing issues. The first pair had marks all around the vamp as if it was in some kind of vice during its construction and wasn't secured in it correctly; the second pair had a shallow gauge on the vamp and truly wonky stitching on both shoes at the top of the backstay, and now these boots are almost the worse with that big stain on the vamp (also lace marks? is that typical for them to lace them at the factory so tight it leaves those?). 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am truly happy with them; at the end of the day fit and construction are what matter in a work boot to me. However, dropping 500 bones on a pair of footwear is a big deal for me, and given my first impressions if I were seeking a pair for more formal/streetwear purposes I might think twice. I was just wondering if others had similar experiences and impressions.

post #7931 of 8713
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Originally Posted by mrdiamond View Post
 

Hello there, first time poster but I have probably read through most of this thread twice when researching prospective work boots. I ordered a pair of oxfords awhile back as a test pair. I wore them as my casual, no-important-meetings-day work shoes for about half a year. In December I went for a pair of Bounty Hunters and they were delivered today.

 

7"

Bounty Hunter

Distressed Smooth

Vib 100

Cuban Heel

Single midsole

Lace to toe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fit is superb. Going from the oxford, which I believe is the standard last, to the SD, was perfect for me. Both are 8.5 EE but the BH is a bit wider all around, just enough that they will be wearable with both thin and thick socks unlike the oxfords, which really only have room for a thin to medium sock. Kyle was very helpful in answering my questions about size when I opted to change lasts. I can't wait to get them on and kick around in the woods (or crush some zombies, whichever comes first).

 

I wanted to comment about the finishing though. The photos without laces are right out of the box. This is actually the third pair of footwear delivered from Bakers: first was a pair of oxfords that went back due to sizing issues, second the oxfords i wear now, and third these boots. You can see from the pics above that one boot has a fairly obvious stain of some sort. There is also a decent scuff on the edge and a nice nick in the leather on the other boot, which I dont think I took a pic of. I am going to be wearing these in the woods and marshes for work purposes, so in no time I'll do a lot worse to them. However, all the pairs I have received had finishing issues. The first pair had marks all around the vamp as if it was in some kind of vice during its construction and wasn't secured in it correctly; the second pair had a shallow gauge on the vamp and truly wonky stitching on both shoes at the top of the backstay, and now these boots are almost the worse with that big stain on the vamp (also lace marks? is that typical for them to lace them at the factory so tight it leaves those?). 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am truly happy with them; at the end of the day fit and construction are what matter in a work boot to me. However, dropping 500 bones on a pair of footwear is a big deal for me, and given my first impressions if I were seeking a pair for more formal/streetwear purposes I might think twice. I was just wondering if others had similar experiences and impressions.

Nice boots, I got the same leather and style, but 6' and Vibram 269 sole. My false tongue was to short, but a big deal but construction and quality were outstanding. The Arch Ease is killing my foot. The arch or inside of the boots is great, but the arch ease on the outside of the boots or killing my foot. Always surprised when someone states how comfortable they are out of the box. I had 2 try-on pairs and they both had that wicked ledge feel in the boot. So it wasn't a shock when I got my custom pair with the same ledge. Good luck with them they look like they will last a 100 years. 

post #7932 of 8713
Finished my first 14 hour day in my new Semi Dress! The arch ease is still quite noticeable, but not painful. It should settle down like my bounty hunters soon. They were purchased on Grailed, but hadn't been more than tried on by the previous owner. The build is Natural CXL, single midsole, 700 sole, single celastic toe, natural edge, 6 brass eyelets, cuban heel. They are slightly wider than my bounty hunters (6.5D rather than 6.5B), but with a thin leather footbed and slightly thicker socks they are just fine. The CXL is much softer than the work leathers, I can already tell these will break in faster than the bounty hunters.



And just a reminder to those buying these boots, they are still first and foremost a work-boot company. They just don't spend as much time on finishing as, say, Viberg, since their main customers are ranchers and firefighters. Enjoy the real-ness of a handmade item, and don't worry too much about a few scuffs or imperfections.
post #7933 of 8713
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Originally Posted by mrdiamond View Post


I wanted to comment about the finishing though. The photos without laces are right out of the box. This is actually the third pair of footwear delivered from Bakers: first was a pair of oxfords that went back due to sizing issues, second the oxfords i wear now, and third these boots. You can see from the pics above that one boot has a fairly obvious stain of some sort. There is also a decent scuff on the edge and a nice nick in the leather on the other boot, which I dont think I took a pic of. I am going to be wearing these in the woods and marshes for work purposes, so in no time I'll do a lot worse to them. However, all the pairs I have received had finishing issues. The first pair had marks all around the vamp as if it was in some kind of vice during its construction and wasn't secured in it correctly; the second pair had a shallow gauge on the vamp and truly wonky stitching on both shoes at the top of the backstay, and now these boots are almost the worse with that big stain on the vamp (also lace marks? is that typical for them to lace them at the factory so tight it leaves those?). 

Don't get me wrong, I am truly happy with them; at the end of the day fit and construction are what matter in a work boot to me. However, dropping 500 bones on a pair of footwear is a big deal for me, and given my first impressions if I were seeking a pair for more formal/streetwear purposes I might think twice. I was just wondering if others had similar experiences and impressions.

Everything you found is fairly normal. On the lacing, don't forget, these boots are formed on a last and stretched tightly over it, so it is normal for the laces to leave marks. They have to be laced up when formed to the last. I think all of the things you noticed are much more noticeable on the lighter-colored leathers.
post #7934 of 8713
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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post
 

Nice boots, I got the same leather and style, but 6' and Vibram 269 sole. My false tongue was to short, but a big deal but construction and quality were outstanding. The Arch Ease is killing my foot. The arch or inside of the boots is great, but the arch ease on the outside of the boots or killing my foot. Always surprised when someone states how comfortable they are out of the box. I had 2 try-on pairs and they both had that wicked ledge feel in the boot. So it wasn't a shock when I got my custom pair with the same ledge. Good luck with them they look like they will last a 100 years. 

 

I've never had a pair of White's that were comfortable right out if the box.  Some people are lucky.  The only pair I bought that got comfortable once they were out of the box after being worn for a few days were the last pair I bought with the CXL upper and the black oil finish lower with the swing last based on the SJ.  My SJ's and CWB's took months.  Go back a page or maybe two and find my post to another poster who is having the same problem as you.  I did also with my first pair of standard SJ's.  That arch support is just brutal at first.  They make spacers that you can glue in.  They make them for the heel area and I think for the area in front of the heel in various thicknesses.  As the salesmen told me when I got my SJ's there.  It doesn't take much to solve the problem.  I think mine were only a 1/16" and they worked..  I didn't have the pain some of you have had with the arch but the right boot with the original SJ's I bought had a real high spot on the outside edge of the right boot.  Had I been able to stand the pain long enough to break them in it would have gone away but I was having none of that.  American Cowboy in West Bountiful, UT has spacers for just such problems.  I got some heel spacers and it solved my problem once I glued them in.  The radical arch support was still there but the pain was gone.  They worked for me and I could probably take them out now that the SJ's are broken in but why?  They feel great the way they are.  The poster just a page or two back called "The American Cowboy" and got some spacers.  Get some in varying thicknesses and try them BEFORE you glue them in.  They are pretty cheap so ordering them in all the various thicknesses won't be a problem.  If you can afford White's boots you can easily afford a various selection of spacers.  It worked wonders for me back then.  I hope it works for the other poster and you as well.  

post #7935 of 8713
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Originally Posted by mrdiamond View Post
 

Hello there, first time poster but I have probably read through most of this thread twice when researching prospective work boots. I ordered a pair of oxfords awhile back as a test pair. I wore them as my casual, no-important-meetings-day work shoes for about half a year. In December I went for a pair of Bounty Hunters and they were delivered today.

 

7"

Bounty Hunter

Distressed Smooth

Vib 100

Cuban Heel

Single midsole

Lace to toe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fit is superb. Going from the oxford, which I believe is the standard last, to the SD, was perfect for me. Both are 8.5 EE but the BH is a bit wider all around, just enough that they will be wearable with both thin and thick socks unlike the oxfords, which really only have room for a thin to medium sock. Kyle was very helpful in answering my questions about size when I opted to change lasts. I can't wait to get them on and kick around in the woods (or crush some zombies, whichever comes first).

 

I wanted to comment about the finishing though. The photos without laces are right out of the box. This is actually the third pair of footwear delivered from Bakers: first was a pair of oxfords that went back due to sizing issues, second the oxfords i wear now, and third these boots. You can see from the pics above that one boot has a fairly obvious stain of some sort. There is also a decent scuff on the edge and a nice nick in the leather on the other boot, which I dont think I took a pic of. I am going to be wearing these in the woods and marshes for work purposes, so in no time I'll do a lot worse to them. However, all the pairs I have received had finishing issues. The first pair had marks all around the vamp as if it was in some kind of vice during its construction and wasn't secured in it correctly; the second pair had a shallow gauge on the vamp and truly wonky stitching on both shoes at the top of the backstay, and now these boots are almost the worse with that big stain on the vamp (also lace marks? is that typical for them to lace them at the factory so tight it leaves those?). 

 

Don't get me wrong, I am truly happy with them; at the end of the day fit and construction are what matter in a work boot to me. However, dropping 500 bones on a pair of footwear is a big deal for me, and given my first impressions if I were seeking a pair for more formal/streetwear purposes I might think twice. I was just wondering if others had similar experiences and impressions.

 

White's builds hand made work boots and they are expected to have flaws because they are hand made.  None of the 3 pairs I have ordered have had any that I care about and if the next pair does I won't be worried about it.  If you consider that "stain" in the 3rd pic down a real problem then you are suffering from OCD.  Once you start using them for what they are made for which is real work, or hunting, or hiking or any activity that is similar that "stain" will disappear.  Believe me.  Now, if you were to order a pair of semi-dress with exotic leather that cost $$800-$1000 then I could see that there would be something to complain about as far as a "flaw" because clearly, they aren't being bought for "work".  The fact of the matter is that $500-$600 in this day and age really isn't a whole lot of money for a hand made, custom made work boot made in the U.S.A. with all the taxes and government regulations.  Sad but very, very true.

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