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post #7876 of 8713

Update on day 1

First sorry for the long post, but hopefully this dribble helps someone get the perfect boot.

 

Amended Review:

Bakers 4 out of 5 STARS!

Bakers

Good: Wonderful people! Always helpful courteous I think of a single time I didn’t have a welcoming conversation with anyone at Bakers. They were good on follow through, and not trying to hurry me to make the sale.

Bad: Why 1 star taken away? 2-Order mishaps. I ordered a pair of boots with 2 unique custom features that needed special attention. Unfortunately, both of the features didn’t were not on the boots.

 

1. One was the unique eye-let and hook placement, (2 top hooks, 6 eye-lets was ordered) Whites got them reversed and Bakers had to fix it. As you can from the pictures, Bakers eye-lets aren’t as ‘secure’ as White’s. In addition, I settled on 5 eye-lets 2 hooks and 1 eye-let on the top witch I won’t be using. Not a big deal on the inferior eye-lets reduced eye-lets, as long as they stay-put in the leather. I got a feeling in 2 or 3 years they may come apart from the leather as they don’t look to secure on the back side. Have to wait and see, but could just be my picky nature, and they are fine.  

               Pictures of repair (can you guess the 2 eye-lets placed by Bakers?)

 

 

 

2. Second mishap was the extra large gusset or tongue to double wrap the leather under the laces, and that didn’t happen. Could it have been White’s issue, of course but Bakers was my in between and I am very OC and sent out detailed instructions and pictures with a ton of instructions on top of the pictures, (maybe too much information) but wanted to avoid what I ended up getting. Not a deal breaker just a bit disappointed. As someone above had mentioned about not wanting to send in the boots for a resole, as they come back ‘different’ due to taking them apart. SO I won’t send them in to get the extra Gusset as I want them to stay as ‘original’ as possible.

    You can see in this sample picture how the Gusset folds over to create layers of leather for the tounge.

 

Here are mine with the same pose, No way I could double fold that Gusset

 

 

 

 

White's 

ARE THEY KEEPERS?: YES!! I’m definitely going to keep them as they are truly awesome boots, and should serve me for years to come. I have some issues, but probably not what you’re thinking. Now that I have worn them for about a day out in the real world, I love them. (I have been wearing $20 sneakers since August, so just glad to be in a pair of quality boots!) Some of the issues are plus’s and some of the issues have an easy fix. Keep reading.

 

 

 

Surprises

Flexible sole – only a ‘single midsole’ from white’s, but it is still quite thick. I am pleasantly surprised how flexible right from the start. I Don’t need thick soles, construction day’s are in the past, need comfortable walking boots and the single midsole with a thick vibram sole is great right out of the gate. Couldn’t be happier with how the 269 feels.

 

Half leather inside boot- Not happy with this! What I’m fearing is that it will roll up as I take my foot in and out of the boots repeatedly over time. Since I didn’t get the extra Gusset, my wide foot is really a tight fit getting them in and out of the boot. This might unglue the leather and be uncomfortable. This is a future issue I hope I don’t have to deal with, but was hoping that extra Gusset keep this from being an issue. Right now it is fine, but since were paying $400 plus for a custom boot this shouldn’t be an issue.

     You can see the corner already starting to peal. 

 

 

 

Role of pennies I feel like I’m walking on a roll of pennies. I think this is the ‘Arch Ease’ and from what I have read will go away once they are broken in. It will become a positive as they will be great for standing all day and keep your feet from getting tired. But, right now it is like walking on a role of pennies, very uncomfortable. I’ll update on time and average wear before they break in a future update.

 

 

Next pair  What would I change now that I have them?

8 inches: Next pair with be 8 inch! These are 6 inch and feel good, but think the 8 inch would be better fit for me personally.

 

Fit: I think I will change the fit on my next pair of Whites. I wear an 11.5 in most shoes, sometimes bigger depending on the brand. These are a size 11FF, but after only 4 hours think my next pair will be 10.5FFF, due to how big White’s run. My plan is to wear them for 6 months and decide on the size of my black pair of White’s then. This may change as I break these in and find out if I was right or if Bakers was right.

 

Vibram 430 Mini-lug half soles: I think they look great and might be even more flexible than full Vibram I have now.

 

 

FIXing:

Without the extra Gusset, the laces are tight on my legs as the leather tongue is a single layer and the false tongue is too short for the top hooks. To fix this ill just order a longer false tongue from Bakers or Whites. This is the last thing they I'll worry about, not a big deal but why not do it now that I'm in 'Boot' mode. 

 

 

 

 

Conclusion

These are really nice boots! I have a few issues with the building and missing features, but they are solidly built and will be a great boot for a long time to come. The areas where the boots are slightly mismatched, stitching is off or crocked or the leather is not quite lined up are pluses in my book. They show that they were made by hand and have serous man hours to produce a unique boot. I like the fact that a human made these and worked on them for hours to get them to me. They were made in the USA, by craftsmen and the price point you pay for a quality pair of White’s is worth every penny!

 

 

 

Questions:

1. Walking on Pennies, this is normal? They will form to my foot as I break them in? This Arch Ease really is pronounced on the outsides of each foot as well. The roll is felt just forward the heal all the way across width of my foot. It is killing my feet, any suggestions other than just wearing them?

I'm curious, do the boots ‘break-in’ or do your feet just get used to the roll of pennies?

 

2. Top eye-let always on White's boots, is there a reason for this? Are we not supposed to use that last eye=let?

 

 

 

 

I got wide feet, even the FF Width my feet are pushing out the leather. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #7877 of 8713

first off, I think your choices led to a beautiful boot.  sorry for the miscues. I sometimes do and sometimes don't use the top eyelet on my whites.  if I like a less formal look and more secure with lacing around the back then I need 108 inch danner laces and away I go. my Roberts just go on without using the top eyelet. 83 inch laces..the tongue  in my Roberts boot is very soft  compared  to the whites and will certainly wear quicker. I consider my Roberts to be a much more formal dress boot then a bison white.  the whites are incredibly comfortable on my feet and the "roll of pennies" was minimal from the start and a non entity now 3 months later.  it truly goes in the column of therapeutic for me now. I am awaiting two new nicks and their arch is a bit more pronounced to me but still quite comfortable ; hope they stay consistent,. my foot is wide too,  usually e to ee wonder how much wider a ff would be? nicks is stretching the 5th  metatarcel  for me (pinky toe). All  this attention for footware from a southern California boy who grew up on converse his entire life.  love me some boots  now enjoying your story keep pluggin

post #7878 of 8713
JakeVooDoo, This is a guess on my part, but here it goes:

The half leather you see and feel in your boot is probably the arch ease feature of the boot. I feels like it sticks up because it hasn't taken the shape of your foot yet. I'm wearing my cowboy boots today but I'll check my pair of White's in a few minutes since I'm taking a break right now.

About the tongue/gusset issue, I fold the tongue of my Packer boots like you are forced to fold yours. It's more comfortable to me that way, and protects the sides of my ankles. I know it isn't what you wanted but I thought I'd share that anyways.
post #7879 of 8713

For your next pair you might want to look into doing custom uppers. Bob Putt does this himself ( as he explained to me at White's ) he cuts the upper by hand to match the measurements provided. I don't recall how much the upcharge was, but if you have issues with your current pair - which you'll have to decide after some more time - I'd look into doing that. 

 

As for the roll of pennies thing - I agree with the other posters - it will go away with time. 

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post

 

Role of pennies I feel like I’m walking on a roll of pennies. I think this is the ‘Arch Ease’ and from what I have read will go away once they are broken in. It will become a positive as they will be great for standing all day and keep your feet from getting tired. But, right now it is like walking on a role of pennies, very uncomfortable. I’ll update on time and average wear before they break in a future update.

 

 

Next pair  What would I change now that I have them?

8 inches: Next pair with be 8 inch! These are 6 inch and feel good, but think the 8 inch would be better fit for me personally.

 

Fit: I think I will change the fit on my next pair of Whites. I wear an 11.5 in most shoes, sometimes bigger depending on the brand. These are a size 11FF, but after only 4 hours think my next pair will be 10.5FFF, due to how big White’s run. My plan is to wear them for 6 months and decide on the size of my black pair of White’s then. This may change as I break these in and find out if I was right or if Bakers was right.

 

Vibram 430 Mini-lug half soles: I think they look great and might be even more flexible than full Vibram I have now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #7880 of 8713
Ok, I checked and I'm almost 100% sure you are feeling the arch support that hasn't settled yet, and in two ways:

1 - The leather ridge the stops about half way down, mine has moulded to the shape of my foot and is almost impossible to tell if it's there at all because my foot pushed it down flush. I can't feel it underneath my feet when I have them on and they have never lifted when I took my boots off, ever. There's no part on either boot where I can get a fingernail underneath the seam, so I think you're ok and just doing an extremely good job of looking these over.

2 - The arch pushing up on the outside of your foot; I had the same feeling. It might take a while to settle. It's difficult to say.
post #7881 of 8713

 

King of Cordovan boots X 2 :)

 

Viberg 1035 last Shell Cordovan Colour 8 VS White's boots Shell Cordovan Color 8

post #7882 of 8713
Quote:
 

Questions:

1. Walking on Pennies, this is normal? They will form to my foot as I break them in? This Arch Ease really is pronounced on the outsides of each foot as well. The roll is felt just forward the heal all the way across width of my foot. It is killing my feet, any suggestions other than just wearing them?

I'm curious, do the boots ‘break-in’ or do your feet just get used to the roll of pennies?

 

2. Top eye-let always on White's boots, is there a reason for this? Are we not supposed to use that last eye=let?

 

 

 

I got wide feet, even the FF Width my feet are pushing out the leather.

 

 

1.  For me it was half breaking in the boot, and half my foot getting used to the boot.  It took a couple of weeks.

2.  I have hooks all the way up to top. 

post #7883 of 8713

I think this is the answer to the "roll of pennies" question. I have found that the arch ease system settles and flattens a bit over time. But it doesn't completely go away - nor would I want it to. It is key to the unique comfort of White's boots. I've never worn a shoe or boot other than White's that allows me to stand and walk for hours on end a day without pain in my feet or back. Your feet do have to get used to the arch ease, though. I remember being a bit taken aback by the feel after I bought my first pair. It went away after a week or two.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusg View Post
 

1.  For me it was half breaking in the boot, and half my foot getting used to the boot.  It took a couple of weeks.

post #7884 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeab sataanfa View Post




King of Cordovan boots X 2 smile.gif

Viberg 1035 last Shell Cordovan Colour 8 VS White's boots Shell Cordovan Color 8
Holy smokes! Not a helpful post for my Horween addiction.
post #7885 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by spurs61 View Post

Initial impressions of my new brown CXL SDs: like my other CXL White's boots this leather is visually beautiful and very comfortable off the bat. There will be little or no break in period with these. I like the composite half sole in terms of aesthetics and feel. As I've said before, these are not intended for heavy duty work or outdoor use, so I'm not worried about the exposed leather on the bottom. My impression is that the half sole adds to the comfort of the boots in walking. All in all, I'm very pleased.



I love the brown CXL in combination with the natural trim. This is making me want a pair of brown CXL in addition to my natty CXL's!
post #7886 of 8713
taken a couple big hits from stocking carts while at work. i didn't feel anything but my boots sure did.
post #7887 of 8713
Looking good, burns!
post #7888 of 8713

I wasn't really happy with how much Obernauf's LP had darkened the leather, so I saddle soaped them and treated them with Bicks4.  Here are some before/after shots.

post #7889 of 8713
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcusg View Post
 

I wasn't really happy with how much Obernauf's LP had darkened the leather, so I saddle soaped them and treated them with Bicks4.  Here are some before/after shots.

Update: 

Day 3, and I am officially in the 'boots feel like hell' camp with the Arch ease.Some members seem to have a perfect fit from the very start, unfortunately that's not me.  After 3 days I'm giving my feet and boots a rest. I think the Arch ease is giving my feet indention's, just before the heal. Almost tempted to do the 'hot water in the boot and wear them till they dry' trick. I have read so many posts on this forum about how uncomfortable they were for about a month, and then they became the most comfortable pair of boots they have ever warn, that I'm going to keep up the routine and just wear them until they break in. 

 

THANKS!! for all of the post's on helping me and comments so far, this is a great forum!

 

 

 

Question

1. can you order White's without Arch ease? or even a step down on the arch ease?

 

2. Double socks is one suggestion I have read, any other suggestions other than getting them wet? (for example: wear them with tight laces vs. really loose laces, or heating up my feet and socks then wear and run in them?)

 

3. Bricks4, Since I want to keep my boot looking good as long possible, and don't have a single issue with the leather or how it feels (100% discomfort is from Arch Ease, everything else is perfect! Even the vibram and how flexible it was right out of the box makes it very ease to squat down and the tops of feet still very comfortable) So is Bricks4 a good way to protect the leather, without having the leather darken?

 

Thanks for the feed back.

 

(only been wearing them for 3 days and already have strangers commenting on the boots)

post #7890 of 8713

WOW!! They don't fit me, but if they were a size 10.5 FFF instead of 9FFF, I would have bought them immediately. $175 is a steal for these!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Whites-Boots-Farmer-Rancher-Brown-8-top-size-9-FFF-/311527131859?hash=item488876cad3:g:Ia8AAOSwp5JWaFut

 

 

 

 

 

 

More info:

 

Up for bid is a pair of White's Boots Farmer-Rancher size 9 FFF. This boot has the Mini Vibram sole and are made with Brown leather. The height of this pair of boots is 10 inches. The internal measurement is approximately 10 3/4 inches from heel to toe.

Whether you're walking the fields, or rounding up the herd, you need a boot that can endure the punishment of day-to-day work. White's Farmer-Rancher has set the standard for mechanics, mill workers, and others who are on their feet all day, and demand a boot that can last as long as they can. 

Another remarkable advantage for investing in White's Boots is that they are rebuildable for years of service. By eliminating synthetic materials and fillers, White's all-leather construction enables worn-out boots to be returned to like-new condition for a moderate cost.

Features include premium full grain leather, leather pull strap, and brass eyelet and hook closures.

The boot includes Lace-in tongue guards and both leather and nylon laces. The boot is new in the box with a full warranty. This boot was made in the USA, at the Spokane Washington factory.

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