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post #7816 of 8712
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Tongue: Custom didn’t quite work for me. I don’t think I got the ‘extra leather’ on the gause or tongue built into the boot. Not a big issue, but I knew through the 2 try-on pair of boots that getting my foot with my high arches into and out of the boot were going to be difficult. I ordered the extra leather to help alleviate the tight fit. They are very tight going on and taking off, but fit so well once on that I’ll live with it as it will eventually work itself loose. I included a picture of the leather ‘tongue’ and would like to know if anyone else has the same, smaller, or larger leather piece that fits under the laces.

 

Hooks: I really didn’t want hooks, but knew from past experience they are nice for quick on and off. I was going to go with just 2 hooks and studied on the forum and decided to go with the top tree hooks and 5 eye-lets. Not sure how it got messed up, but instead I only got 3 eye-lets towards the toe and 4 hooks with another eye-let on the top. This is quite disappointing, as this is the opposite of what I wanted, but again easy to work around. I’ll ask Kyle at bakers how they fix this and if it would be worth the effort. I would think ‘reworking’ the boot would involve a ‘repair job’ and weaken the boot so will have to think about it more.

 

Arch Ease: WOW, is it going to take some wear to break in the ‘ledge’ on the bottom of the boot. I have read enough to know that everyone has to break in the boot and this will turn into a positive with a little wear, so will not worry to much and just make sure I wear them a little every day till they form to the bottom of my foot. (or my foot forms to the boot) I’m currently wearing a pair of boots 20+ years old and are completely formed to my foot, so I don’t think this is a big deal just got to work with them. I do wish I started with a quality boot when I was younger, I have learned to never underestimate a quality tool.

 

I'll post an update after talking with Kyle at bakers and follow-up on the break in cycle. Any pointers on the best way to break in a pair of White’s would be helpful. I hear you fill a bucket with water and stand in them with your boots on… kidding, I’m only kidding. I WILL NOT STAND IN WATER, to break in a pair of boots. 

 

 

 

They look great, congrats!

 

I think you can easily deal with the bad and send them back to change the the eyes.  You can even have them change the tongue to regular size if you wanted.  Getting my distressed on and off was very difficult at first, I used a long handle shoe horn and it worked out fine.  Now that they are broken in, I can just pull them on no problem.  I know some guys cut the sides of the tongue (Baker's even offered to do that for mine), but I didn't want to mess with the integrity.

 

The arch just takes time...a lot of time.  I thought it was weird with my first pair many years ago, but now I miss it when I'm wearing my Swing last SD's (or any non-Whites).  Whites will suggest 1/2 hour a day for the first week and slowly increase the time.  Walking on uneven surfaces always helped me break in my Whites faster.

 

Sucks to pack them back up to fix the eyes, but like you said they will last forever...whats three more weeks, they will be back just the way you want them!  I suggest a flat rate Priority Mail box to expedite the process on your end:)

post #7817 of 8712

Thanks for all of the suggestions! I ended up shipping them back to bakers for $20. Felt they would do a better job of replacing the hardware and $20 is probably cheaper than the local cobbler. Hopefully get them back next week. 

 

Almost just kept them as is, but found that is was very difficult to get them tight enough to be comfortable. They really do need eye-lets to help break them in. 

post #7818 of 8712
Can anybody help me? I've tried emailing Bakers to order a pair of White's but I'm not getting a reply. Maybe they don't ship to Brazil. Are there other places where I can order?

The boots are want seem really simple, the Smoke Jumper they have at Slumptown Japan. My only doubts are the last, if it's a regular heel and sole regular sole trimming :

https://store.stumptownjapan.com/shop/g/g5306110001019/



Thanks
post #7819 of 8712
Does anyone know that 10% off coupon is still available on Baker?

A technical question, is distressed smooth the smooth leather without clouring? Eg,black smooth is similar to distressed smooth but blackened?

In addition, it seems many Japanese and Chinese buddies tend to build their boots with cxl leather, #8 burgundy in particular. Will #8 burgundy stil look good when the boots get old?

Last question, I know the difference among black smooth, black cxl and black dress. But what are the features of black otter leather? I never experienced this leather before. From the pictures online, it looks shinny like black dress. Tough as smooth or thinner? I have no idea.

Thank you! Hope there aren't too many grammar mistakes, my poor English
post #7820 of 8712
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Originally Posted by soqueriaterum View Post

Can anybody help me? I've tried emailing Bakers to order a pair of White's but I'm not getting a reply. Maybe they don't ship to Brazil. Are there other places where I can order?

The boots are want seem really simple, the Smoke Jumper they have at Slumptown Japan. My only doubts are the last, if it's a regular heel and sole regular sole trimming :

https://store.stumptownjapan.com/shop/g/g5306110001019/



Thanks

Are you sure you want a pair of whites boots in Brazil, where is humid and hot? I believe baker ship internationally, you may need to pay the import fee or tax. I'm not sure.

Sometimes Kyle(baker) replies email slowly. Just send him again I suggest.

From the Japanese website you quoted, I believe the heel is standard height not 1/4lower, and it is standard trim since there two lines of stitching on the outsole.
post #7821 of 8712
Looks pretty beautiful! Does them have toe box?
post #7822 of 8712
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My only doubts are the last, if it's a regular heel and sole regular sole trimming :
Looks like regular heel, standard trim, standard SJ last. Single midsole, Vibram 700 sole, Lace-to-toe (LTT) smokejumper. Beautiful!
You'd have to decide if you want it lined or not. It's recommended for CXL leather but not required as on the water buffalo or exotic leathers. Lining will make the boots a little bit warmer but also more stable.
I don't see a reason why Bakers wouldn't sell to Brazil. They have customers from all over the world. And even if this were the case for some reason, I am sure Kyle would reply. Many businesses are slow during the first week(s) of the year, with employees and owners still on vacation. Just give them a few days.
Like Zachery said, don't forget that you'll have to factor in your country's import duties to the total price. Here in Germany, a 500$ pair of White's would easily end up at over 700$ after shipping and customs.
post #7823 of 8712
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Originally Posted by Zachery Zhu View Post

Does anyone know that 10% off coupon is still available on Baker?

A technical question, is distressed smooth the smooth leather without clouring? Eg,black smooth is similar to distressed smooth but blackened?

In addition, it seems many Japanese and Chinese buddies tend to build their boots with cxl leather, #8 burgundy in particular. Will #8 burgundy stil look good when the boots get old?

Last question, I know the difference among black smooth, black cxl and black dress. But what are the features of black otter leather? I never experienced this leather before. From the pictures online, it looks shinny like black dress. Tough as smooth or thinner? I have no idea.

Thank you! Hope there aren't too many grammar mistakes, my poor English

The 10% off coupon is apparently not available, anymore.  Kyle said he can't be certain, but doesn't imagine another 10% sale until the holidays a year from now.

 

I don't know about the distressed leather.

 

Lot of people like CXL leather and like that it "ages" quickly and shows the different color of deeper in the leather with time.  If you want your boots not to change in their appearance, CXL is probably not a good choice.

 

I believe black otter is a silicone-impregnated or rubberized leather.  It should be tough and good with lots of water, but it won't have the natural surface feel of other leathers and won't breathe, as well, making it worse in hot weather, especially.  Unless you really need super water resistance, I imagine you would not prefer it, but I may be wrong about all of this.

 

Please don't worry about your English; it's very good; as a native English speaker, it is an honor and a convenience that people learn my language, when I have such difficulty picking up other languages.

post #7824 of 8712
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Originally Posted by JakeVooDoo View Post

Thanks for all of the suggestions! I ended up shipping them back to bakers for $20. Felt they would do a better job of replacing the hardware and $20 is probably cheaper than the local cobbler. Hopefully get them back next week. 

Almost just kept them as is, but found that is was very difficult to get them tight enough to be comfortable. They really do need eye-lets to help break them in. 

nice to hear that the procedure to redo the garments is cheap and fast. i'm sure you'll love the boots once that's sorted out... after you get through the ankle bite period! tongue.gif

kidding. you'll love them before that's over. they say it's an 80 hour breakin period, but i'd say even longer than that, coming from my experience, and i've been working on my feet in them 8 hours a day since i got them. i guess that's because the 'smooth' leathers are some of the toughest.
post #7825 of 8712
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Originally Posted by TH3515 View Post


Looks like regular heel, standard trim, standard SJ last. Single midsole, Vibram 700 sole, Lace-to-toe (LTT) smokejumper. Beautiful!
You'd have to decide if you want it lined or not. It's recommended for CXL leather but not required as on the water buffalo or exotic leathers. Lining will make the boots a little bit warmer but also more stable.
I don't see a reason why Bakers wouldn't sell to Brazil. They have customers from all over the world. And even if this were the case for some reason, I am sure Kyle would reply. Many businesses are slow during the first week(s) of the year, with employees and owners still on vacation. Just give them a few days.
Like Zachery said, don't forget that you'll have to factor in your country's import duties to the total price. Here in Germany, a 500$ pair of White's would easily end up at over 700$ after shipping and customs.

 

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Originally Posted by Zachery Zhu View Post


Are you sure you want a pair of whites boots in Brazil, where is humid and hot? I believe baker ship internationally, you may need to pay the import fee or tax. I'm not sure.

Sometimes Kyle(baker) replies email slowly. Just send him again I suggest.

From the Japanese website you quoted, I believe the heel is standard height not 1/4lower, and it is standard trim since there two lines of stitching on the outsole.

 

Thank you both for the information about the specs. I feel safer now. I will try contacting them again, although I´ve been trying for a couple of months.

 

And I´m from the mountains, not from the sea. It´s a little warmer than the north part of the world but I´m used to wearing boots all year long.

post #7826 of 8712
Hey everyone, new to the site (first post actually). I have been wearing my first pair of whites for about a month now, and breaking in well. However I have noticed the last couple days my left boot where the pivot is above the toe seems to be pinching my big toe. I wear 80% merino wool socks everyday. I was sized by a boot shop that is whites dealer, I normally wore a 14 wide boot in the past, but was sized at a 15 1/2 B. I was kinda skeptical but after getting them and wearing them awhile the overall fit seems good, just the pinching is getting annoying. I have been using heavy boot LP about once a week to ease the break-in. The ball of my foot sits in the widest part of the boot,also the boots ended up having more of a round toe, I was hoping for more of a square toe like the book showed. I wasn't aware of the baker boot builder and the many options before I ordered them so they are a basic smoke jumper 10" regular toe.

My concerns are:
do the boots seem like they're too big
Is it possible to send them back to add a safety toe (possibly changing jobs and may require it) or would I need to do a very early rebuild?

Here's a pic of the toe, my finger location is where the tip of my big toe goes to.

Thanks for any info

post #7827 of 8712
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Originally Posted by mechanic08 View Post

Hey everyone, new to the site (first post actually). I have been wearing my first pair of whites for about a month now, and breaking in well. However I have noticed the last couple days my left boot where the pivot is above the toe seems to be pinching my big toe. I wear 80% merino wool socks everyday. I was sized by a boot shop that is whites dealer, I normally wore a 14 wide boot in the past, but was sized at a 15 1/2 B. I was kinda skeptical but after getting them and wearing them awhile the overall fit seems good, just the pinching is getting annoying. I have been using heavy boot LP about once a week to ease the break-in. The ball of my foot sits in the widest part of the boot,also the boots ended up having more of a round toe, I was hoping for more of a square toe like the book showed. I wasn't aware of the baker boot builder and the many options before I ordered them so they are a basic smoke jumper 10" regular toe.

My concerns are:
do the boots seem like they're too big
Is it possible to send them back to add a safety toe (possibly changing jobs and may require it) or would I need to do a very early rebuild?

Here's a pic of the toe, my finger location is where the tip of my big toe goes to.

Thanks for any info


I don't understand because that looks like your left boot, but then that should be your little toe on that side. These questions about fit are difficult to answer remotely. On sizing, it is important that the heel to ball length of the boots match your feet. Width-wise, it is important that the boots be snug, bit not painfully tight.

If you went through sizing with the store, the fit should be guaranteed. Your big toe should not be hurting. Perhaps the general shape of the last doesn't work well for you, regardless of correct length and width. There can be issues with how wide the front of your foot is compared to the back. Ther are issues with the volume of the foot. Two feet can be same length and width, but one is taller. (Volume is width x length x height.)

Ask the store to help you with this. I am not sure about adding safety toe. I feel a lot of people come on here before contacting White's or the retailer...
post #7828 of 8712
That is the outside of my foot, just a reference for where my big toe comes to so the rest of the toe of the boot is visible. The boot shop I went through is an hour away, so I was looking for a little insite here before making the drive.
post #7829 of 8712
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Originally Posted by mechanic08 View Post

That is the outside of my foot, just a reference for where my big toe comes to so the rest of the toe of the boot is visible. The boot shop I went through is an hour away, so I was looking for a little insite here before making the drive.

Now I understand the photo. Unless you have extremely short toes relative to the overall length of your feet, I would suspicious that something is amiss with the sizing.

I would phone and/or email the boot store before driving up there.

Also, even though Obenaufs is wonderful stuff, it can be overused and cause too much softening of the leather.
post #7830 of 8712
That was why I was skeptical about being sized at a 15 1/2 when I've worn a 14 since high school. my thinking is the boots are too long and the natural bend point of the 15 1/2 boot is further forward than it would be if they were shorter. I went to the shop because I figured I could eliminate any errors on my part doing the outlines and measurements myself. In regards to the boot care, what is a better interval than what I've been doing. My thoughts were during the break in, treat the boots a little more often then once broke in about once a month roughly. Thoughts?
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