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post #4816 of 5037
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post


He said it would be best of course to send them my measurements and build specifically for my foot, and pay the $100 custom fit fee, which is only a one time fee, but hurts on top of your first $400 pair of boots.

 

 

I quickly clicked through their demo build a boot, and with a few standard choices (eyelets, etc!) the add-on charges brought it up close to $500.  For the oxford shoe!  I'd rather they just post a higher price to begin with than to feel like they are nickle and diming you...

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Originally Posted by linafelt View Post

I quickly clicked through their demo build a boot, and with a few standard choices (eyelets, etc!) the add-on charges brought it up close to $500.  For the oxford shoe!  I'd rather they just post a higher price to begin with than to feel like they are nickle and diming you...
Yeah, not to speak ill of Wesco as I have no experience with them other than a pleasant phone call, but Josh at Baker's warned that what is normally standard on a White's build is ala carte from Wesco. The cost ends up being close (the White's oxford is $500 without even getting into fancy leathers, double sole and toe cap) but I guess with the price up front I feel a little less violated when I total the build.

I asked both bakers regarding White's and Ray at Wesco why the oxfords were so expensive and they both said as they are so limited for demand that they don't have dies premade to stamp the leather so they need to be hand cut, hence more labor.....wether it's worth it or not I'm not sure, but most don't balk at $500+ for a pair of Alden's which are "off the shelf" so to speak, these are custom made.

James
post #4818 of 5037

Kyle recommended skipping the eyelet rot me when I was having trouble...it did work.

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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post


I asked both bakers regarding White's and Ray at Wesco why the oxfords were so expensive and they both said as they are so limited for demand that they don't have dies premade to stamp the leather so they need to be hand cut, hence more labor.....wether it's worth it or not I'm not sure, but most don't balk at $500+ for a pair of Alden's which are "off the shelf" so to speak, these are custom made.
 

 

A good point.  And I don't mind paying for all the hands on labor that goes into US- and Canada-made boots like Wesco, White's, and Viberg, and I think to a certain extent Alden.  (And I know Alden workers are unionized, which being the son of steelworker I am all in favor of.) But like you say, I'd rather have the full price up front, rather than paying for "eyelets" or "stitching"...

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Originally Posted by linafelt View Post

A good point.  And I don't mind paying for all the hands on labor that goes into US- and Canada-made boots like Wesco, White's, and Viberg, and I think to a certain extent Alden.  (And I know Alden workers are unionized, which being the son of steelworker I am all in favor of.) But like you say, I'd rather have the full price up front, rather than paying for "eyelets" or "stitching"...

The ala carte thing does blow, but it's obviously the way their site is set up. I actually did a bare bones stock lace to toe set up using the default selections and it was priced at the listed price (no stitch color option, or cap toe or other than brass eyelet). So it can be done as listed.

I think the big issue you hit upon is the assignment of cost versus value as a whole on these products. Most people I know think I'm nuts for spending more than $100 on a pair of shoes, more than $40 for a dress shirt, $25 for a tie, etc. But these are the first people to clamor when their work is undervalued and always feel underpaid. Why would I expect a hand crafted product, by someone earning a livable wage, to cost what a sweat shop mass production product does. And why would I expect to be paid highly for my craft and not pay someone else for their craft. Considering what I get paid hourly for my specialty, $500 for a pair of custom oxfords that will last me the next 10-20 years (with care, rotation and resoling) is a down right bargain.

James
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Originally Posted by patrick_b View Post
 

 

Your smooth distressed BH's are inspiring! I always figured I'd go with that leather one of these days. But your roughout/smooth distressed has me intrigued. Do you have any pictures/info about this makeup? I've seen CXL roughout and others simply labeled roughout but nothing specifically distressed smooth roughout.

Glad I could help.  Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of them as they're just a brainstorm right now...but I imagine somebody on these forums has gotten a pair of distressed roughouts.  White's has sent me samples for their leathers, so I've seen the distressed roughout in person, and it's beautiful.  Just like the smooth side, it's not too different looking than natural CXL...just a lot tougher.

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Originally Posted by gregornz View Post

Just got my shipping notice from Bakers! From July 15 to today is a touch more than five weeks... Looks like things are getting busier again!

Congrats!  What'd you order?

post #4823 of 5037
Yeah Kyle said they were working at a 6 week lead time on 8/12.
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Originally Posted by cathpah View Post

Congrats!  What'd you order?

Got a pair of these bad boys enroute.

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Originally Posted by gregornz View Post


Got a pair of these bad boys enroute.

holy shiny, batman!  Is that brown dress and black dress?

 

I thought brown dress was suuuper dark, almost black...but maybe my memory is failing me again?

post #4826 of 5037
Yeah, no, that's black cherry water buffalo and dress brown. The brown looks black, I know. I'll get some more shots in different light when I get them in my hot little hands!
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What great original boots! Double leather sole? Those will look great with nylon laces...

post #4828 of 5037

^^ That's a beauty! The leather sole makes it really elegant. Was this made on an SJ last (aka Farmer/Rancher) or is it an 8'' Bounty Hunter (SD last)? Did you specify the non-standard eyelet/hook config or did it just come out this way?

Looking forward to fit pictures...

post #4829 of 5037
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Originally Posted by gregornz View Post

Yeah, no, that's black cherry water buffalo and dress brown. The brown looks black, I know. I'll get some more shots in different light when I get them in my hot little hands!

I actually really like that super dark brown.  Makes it a lot more unique than just a standard dark brown.

 

Interesting to see how smooth/shiny the water buffalo is.  For some reason I thought it was much more similar to bison.  Congrats!

post #4830 of 5037
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post

Interesting. I called Wesco on Friday and spoke to a very nice guy names Ray who does their in store fittings. We talked for about a 1/2 hour and he was very helpful. He said the JH and jobmaster are on different lasts but only based in how the foot fits in the shoe/boot with a lower heel. He said that when you drop the heel it elongates the foot slightly, which makes perfect sense from what you are describing. He said it would be best of course to send them my measurements and build specifically for my foot, and pay the $100 custom fit fee, which is only a one time fee, but hurts on top of your first $400 pair of boots.

I too want the JH in lace to toe. How generous is the toe box compared to your white's? Which last is your White's on?

James

The Toe box feels fine just a little short, they are still comfortable and I wear them twice a week. but I absolutely love the white's archease, I wear an 8D in the standard semi-dress last, the 338 swing last, and the retro oxford. they all work for me.
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