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post #4621 of 5901
Ordering a custom build and returning them doesn't seem right to me, but Kyle said they would "work with me" if that arose. I guess I'm just used to being screwed once I've worn them......$1.25k lesson learned from my last Alden purchases. I appreciate you all humoring me with this.

James
post #4622 of 5901
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post

Ordering a custom build and returning them doesn't seem right to me, but Kyle said they would "work with me" if that arose. I guess I'm just used to being screwed once I've worn them......$1.25k lesson learned from my last Alden purchases. I appreciate you all humoring me with this.

James

This is where ordering from Bakers is key. They guarantee fit and Kyle is awesome so they WILL take care of you if there is problem, trust me.

post #4623 of 5901

"I am trying on for fit now fit snugly across the vamp and middle of the foot, but not too tight, and the toe box is perfect when walking"

 

There is an attachment made for the Ultra 80 machines that attaches to the top of the front last  for that exact problem and using it cures the "snugness".

post #4624 of 5901
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post

Ordering a custom build and returning them doesn't seem right to me, but Kyle said they would "work with me" if that arose. I guess I'm just used to being screwed once I've worn them......$1.25k lesson learned from my last Alden purchases. I appreciate you all humoring me with this.

James

Take them to Phillip.

post #4625 of 5901
The first pair of Alden's (Norweigan toe bluchers) I was able to sell to my boss for exactly what I paid as he has a "normal" shaped foot and loved them, so I didn't lose anything. On the 975's, unless Philp can whack and inch of length off the front, then reshape the toe box, they're just an occasional shoe or I'll sell them at a huge loss. I sadly have to come to terms that a pair of shell long wing Alden's are just not going to be in my life.
post #4626 of 5901
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

There was a discussion recently on the toe cap and rough out combinations. Check out these boots!

Thanks Daizawaguy. That may help answer my question. I may have to switch leather combos, but I dig that look on the toe.

post #4627 of 5901
Well, I have about 100 hours or so on my ranchers and I think I've come to some conclusions. I knew going in that I was buying a boot that was about a 1/2 size too big (I think now maybe a full size), but for the price I was paying I couldn't pass them up.

One of the things I wasn't counting on was how long they would take to break in and until that, you really can't judge their fit. Secondly, I underestimated the quality, thinking that the boot would give more.

My problem is that my foot sits too far back in the boot and that it puts pressure on the outside of my foot where it tapers from the ball to the heel. Is been said here that the boot won't fit if your foot doesn't sit right in the boot and this is true. The arch doesn't bother me, it's the sides of my feet that hurt. Since the boots are 8", there is no loose or sloppy feel.

My point, what are my options? Sell them (size 8), take a small hit, and try again? Put them on a stretching machine? Any helpful advice is appreciated. Thanks
post #4628 of 5901
I can't speak with authority and am new to this group, but my most recent education in fit with the help of Kyle at baker's made me realize that I never knew my fit. I always assumed I was a D width, and in some shoes I am, but in the white's I was fitted in an E-in a very generous last. It sounds like your issue isn't the length but the width of the boot. That said, yes they can be "stretched" but you probably will only gain 1/8" or less IME, and I always hate the way shoes that have been stretched took, they lose their shape a bit, and the sides of the foot bugle out over the sole.

I would sell them and start fresh with a correct fitting pair, and I would do the process with Baker's and just choke down the cost of new. After years of trying to save a few pennies buying on eBay or getting a "deal" that is close in size, I realize I have thrown away thousands of dollars on shoes that I no longer own, or are sitting in a pile waiting to be put on eBay.

James
post #4629 of 5901
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post


After years of trying to save a few pennies buying on eBay or getting a "deal" that is close in size, I realize I have thrown away thousands of dollars on shoes that I no longer own, or are sitting in a pile waiting to be put on eBay.

James

Hear hear! One good pair is worth ten bad ones. Isn't it the same with all things - shoes, jeans, shirts - one or two get 80% of the wear, and the others just lie there...or am I the odd one out?

post #4630 of 5901
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

Hear hear! One good pair is worth ten bad ones. Isn't it the same with all things - shoes, jeans, shirts - one or two get 80% of the wear, and the others just lie there...or am I the odd one out?
....or suits and sport coats.....I finally realized several years ago I had been buying too long and too large. I finally had a proper fitting and was shocked at how well a proper fitting suit fits, perfect drape, no bunching, absolute freedom of movement, feels like wearing pajamas. I buy vintage sport coats all the time (have for 30 years) but now know my exact measurement for perfect fit so can be very discriminating.
James
post #4631 of 5901
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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post

The retro oxford's I am trying on for fit now fit snugly across the vamp and middle of the foot, but not too tight, and the toe box is perfect when walking and only when I sit and my feet shift forward do I feel my little toes on the outside touching the curve of the toe box, but not annoyingly so (but I haven't walked a day in them yet). If I wear these oxford's out of the house, they become mine, and for $500+ I would rather get the build out I want.

So the question is, is this the correct fit or should I order up 1/2 size? I tried them with both dress socks and thicker socks (both Smartwool) and they didn't seem too tight with thicker socks, I just laced them looser, but my feet did feel like they were snugged in like a glove.

The issue I usually have is that I will try on shoes, and even wear them around the house for an entire day (watching TV, up and down stairs, walking in circles), and they will seem fine, but I walk at least 3-5 miles a day at work (big campus and I have worn a pedometer), and what seems like a decent fit at 5am is killing me by 10. I am at this point now because I am tired of throwing my money away on "kind of fits" so going to a cobbler to fix it after shelling out $400+ on a pair of custom shoes in not gonna happen.

Since I'm ordering from scratch and seem to have found the last that works for me, I can get the fit right for once, but apparently have no frame of reference of how a shoe/ boot that is fitted properly should feel. It's akin to drinking cheap wine my entire life and someone pours me a glass of Chateau Neuf de Paup.....what is this I'm tasting??

James

I have a question about the retro oxfords (not related to your questions). I'm trying to order a pair SD that will have a similar look, only in a boot of course. I want something a little more formal to wear with a suit but I can't justify paying the extra $$ just to have it in shoe form. With that in mind, I was thinking if I lowered and blocked the heel, selected a close trim, and added a medallion toe cap, I would have something close to the look of the retro oxford or even closer to an Alden Edmonds type boot. Does that sound reasonable to anyone or am I way off? I wear a custom size combo in White's (10 E left, 9 EE right) and I know they fit me so I would prefer to stick with them.

post #4632 of 5901
That is exactly what I am going after as well. I am not looking to go logging in my White's or make a fashion statement, for me it's about fit and they seem to have the last for my foot.
Since I go between work site and office all day and wear wool trousers and sport jacket for work, I need a shoe/boot that can do double duty.
The configuration I was thinking about for this purpose, and have discussed with Kyle is basically what you are thinking. What makes the oxford that I am trying dressier is the block heel (which I would lower) and the black edge trim. I personally like dark brown edge trim on black oxford (my wolverines are that), but black trim would give it a more formal look. I am planning to go with black dress leather as it should keep a nice shine and not "patina" like Chromexcel does...a stunning look as it ages, but not with trousers and coat.

James
post #4633 of 5901

Check out post 1453 on page 97 before ordering - make sure you want the lowered block heel look. I thought about it several times, but somehow the balance is lost. The lowered slant heel though keeps the Whites-look. Very much a personal taste, but I imagine the regret factor is high.

post #4634 of 5901
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post
 

Check out post 1453 on page 97 before ordering - make sure you want the lowered block heel look. I thought about it several times, but somehow the balance is lost. The lowered slant heel though keeps the Whites-look. Very much a personal taste, but I imagine the regret factor is high.

 

 

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Originally Posted by jrosenthal View Post

That is exactly what I am going after as well. I am not looking to go logging in my White's or make a fashion statement, for me it's about fit and they seem to have the last for my foot.
Since I go between work site and office all day and wear wool trousers and sport jacket for work, I need a shoe/boot that can do double duty.
The configuration I was thinking about for this purpose, and have discussed with Kyle is basically what you are thinking. What makes the oxford that I am trying dressier is the block heel (which I would lower) and the black edge trim. I personally like dark brown edge trim on black oxford (my wolverines are that), but black trim would give it a more formal look. I am planning to go with black dress leather as it should keep a nice shine and not "patina" like Chromexcel does...a stunning look as it ages, but not with trousers and coat.

James

Thanks for the feedback. You might be right about the color. I was hoping to get the burgundy chromexcel but perhaps they won't "shine up" very well.

 

I'm still undecided about the heel too, I'll check out the referenced post. I have a slant heel on my bounty hunters and they just seem so bootish. Granted a lowered heel on a SD would be quite a bit lower.

post #4635 of 5901
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Originally Posted by chiliinabowl View Post

I have a question about the retro oxfords (not related to your questions). I'm trying to order a pair SD that will have a similar look, only in a boot of course. I want something a little more formal to wear with a suit but I can't justify paying the extra $$ just to have it in shoe form. With that in mind, I was thinking if I lowered and blocked the heel, selected a close trim, and added a medallion toe cap, I would have something close to the look of the retro oxford or even closer to an Alden Edmonds type boot. Does that sound reasonable to anyone or am I way off? I wear a custom size combo in White's (10 E left, 9 EE right) and I know they fit me so I would prefer to stick with them.

I have a pair of white's oxfords coming with a block heel, can take pics. Don't really like the slant heel on the oxfords -- looks odd to me. Second the opinion about not getting them lowered. I'm 6'3 so the large-ish heel doesn't seem out of scale or anything.
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