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post #4126 of 4984
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Originally Posted by mogili222 View Post

Love these two combinations.. 

The first one seems to be Red Dog with Distressed smooth. Any idea what is on the bottom boots?

Here's the link. It's brown oil and black oil... the brown looks quite red though!
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

I have found that the standard brown rough out comes in a few shade variations and Whites will try and match he shade to the two tone accordingly. There seems to be only one brown rough out, and a few shades I`ve see, aside from the distressed version.

That's interesting! I always thought that the variation was because of the photos, but if they match them to the other tone that's really cool. I suppose each hide has variations even if it's tanned and dyed the same?

I thought you could order any leather as a roughout? For instance you could have a roughout bullhide if that was what you wanted? I ordered the brown roughout in the boots I have arriving. I actually referred to it as 'brown oil roughout' when I was speaking to Kyle and he never said anything, nor seem to misunderstand. I did actually consider using the brown voyager roughout (as seen here) because it seems to be much the same colour, and I was assuming that the brown roughout would be as tough (tough to break in) as the brown oil is, and that the voyager would be softer and better for a dress shoe. In the end they made the boots so fast I didn't have a chance to change it.

I was originally going to get the distressed roughout (based on the pic above) because I liked the 'milk chocolate' colour so much, but when I was in Hong Kong I went and met with the ultrasound boots guys and had a look at their stock, the brown roughout they had was such a rich and full shade of brown that I changed my mind. I'm just hoping that I can keep it in that beautiful condition through a strict regimen of brushing and not oiling. But at some point do you need to oil a roughout, like it or not - right?
post #4127 of 4984
You know, I think there is a little more to just the photos for as you say the slightly different leathers and tanning is going to create slightly different shades. Whites must have quite a stock of variations to choose from. Not so sure that you can order any leather in rough out. It exists if you turn it inside out but not sure it's processed to be used as such. Finally, personally I would never oil a rough out. Some people have, but I think it should be left as it is. It will never be a waterproof leather, but if you want waterproofing better to order a different leather is my opinion.
post #4128 of 4984
Yeah, I'm not keen to oil it either - but at some point that is going to make the leather crack isn't it?
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I think if you brush it and keep the dirt off, the chances of cracking are small. But left with dirt, it will soon act like sandpaper. But its really the smooth leathers that will crack in my opinion. They are the ones with the outer finish. May be wrong there though, but haven't had a rough out or suede crack on me. But then, I`m an urban cowboy!

post #4130 of 4984
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Originally Posted by mogili222 View Post

Love these two combinations.. 

The first one seems to be Red Dog with Distressed smooth. Any idea what is on the bottom boots?

I think the bottom is toffee and brown oil rough out. I have not seen this "toffee" advertised by anyone though

Kyle told me that you cannot get just any leather in rough out and from looking at the swatches I received this appears to be true.
post #4131 of 4984
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

You know, I think there is a little more to just the photos for as you say the slightly different leathers and tanning is going to create slightly different shades. Whites must have quite a stock of variations to choose from. Not so sure that you can order any leather in rough out. It exists if you turn it inside out but not sure it's processed to be used as such. Finally, personally I would never oil a rough out. Some people have, but I think it should be left as it is. It will never be a waterproof leather, but if you want waterproofing better to order a different leather is my opinion.


if you want to "water proof" rough out leather you have to use the silicon spay for suede. If you try to add any treatment to the rough side of leather it ruins the leather, you treat the "smooth" side only.

post #4132 of 4984

Something to think about when you order anything custom:

 

White's boots will last a very very long time. When buying you should think about what you are buying will "look like on you " in 10-15 years, when you are wearing them. Remember 10 years ago what did your shoes/boots look like compared to now..

 

Doing this will save you a lot of money and donations to the GoodWill.

 

(I am still waiting for Neru suites and platform shoes to come back....they never will)

 

Examples $3 to 4.00 a pair 1940s Whites USA contract boots on the left and $1490.00 a Pair Ralph Lauren Bowery boots 2012 on the right.. basic styles never changes much...just get recycled and the price skyrockets....

 

post #4133 of 4984
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Originally Posted by CityofChamps View Post

I think the bottom is toffee and brown oil rough out. I have not seen this "toffee" advertised by anyone though

Keith at ultrasound calls the british tan leather 'toffee'.
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I'd beg to differ on the rough out comments. The vamp and heel on my SJs is black rough out, and I bought them specifically to wear in the winter working outside. I wore them all winter this past year and spent many, many hours removing snow and slush in eastern PA, and not once did my feet get wet. In fact, at one point my jeans got so wet that the water soaked through my jeans as well as the thermal underwear I was wearing. The smooth skin of the leather that keeps your feet dry is still on rough out leather, only it is now inside the boot where it can't get scratched and gouged to no longer be waterproof.

Also, I treated mine with LP just like I do any leather, and it soaks in just like on any leather. It does slightly soften the nap, but they still most certainly look like rough out, not slimy suede. lol8[1].gif
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I ever tried LP on my Nubuck boots and got similar waterproof effect as you mentioned. LP does nit soak into nubuck, it just creates external coating film. Last week I drop a bucket of acrylic based paint and it splashed onto my LPed nubuck boots. I scratch it with my nail, LP film get out of my boot with the paint. My boots turn into nubuck suade-like texture, the same as they use to be before I LPed them.

post #4136 of 4984
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Don't worry I wear chain link fence for under ware. Got it cheap on sale. 

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post #4137 of 4984
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Finally, personally I would never oil a rough out. Some people have, but I think it should be left as it is. It will never be a waterproof leather, but if you want waterproofing better to order a different leather is my opinion.

When I bought my Black Rough Out SJ's I asked the salesmen if I should oil or LP them like smooth leathers.  He said yes.  There is no difference.  He sells a lot of SJ's to firefighters and a lot of western style White's.  I LP'd mine a couple of times after I bought them.  Can't remember if I oiled them or not.  In any case they are very waterproof.  I've stood in water 3 or 4 inches deep with them and nothing soaked through the leather.  I could feel a leak right at the base of the laces on one but that isn't water soaking through it's a leak where the stitching might not be done correctly but it's so small I'm not worryied about it.  Walking around in the snow constantly doesn't make it leak so it's not a big deal.  However, my CWB's don't have a leak in them when I stand in deep water.  My rough out SJ's bead up water just like my CWB's do when  they get wet.

 

I did notice that when you LP the roughout it smooths it out.  It takes the "rough" out of roughout.  After a while the rough starts coming back.

post #4138 of 4984
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Originally Posted by LouieBailie View Post
 

1940s Whites USA contract boots on the left

 

WOW! :wow:

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Could anyone post photos of their oiled rough outs please? Thanks

post #4140 of 4984
Not quite the right thing, but these are Red Wing 'muleskinner' leather, which is somehow oiled and buffed in the factory. These have also had a second treatment of obenaufs, as seen in the pic there. The surface is quite sticky, gets quite dirty, and is very hard to clean.





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