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post #3706 of 4476

Contact White's and ask for Jennifer. Explain what you do not like or want changed and she will take care of it. No charge.

 

I just sent back a custom ordered pair of 6 inch Smoke Jumpers, double mid soles, double leather soles, block heels made out of dark brown Water Buffalo boots to have the full tongues stretched out and the all the brass hooks replaced with eyelets.  The heels were and are perfect. No big deal....

 

It does not make any difference if they have the sissy heels or block heels custom stuff sometimes requires modifying to make them suite ones needs/wants/requirements. NBD

post #3707 of 4476
If you do contact whites will be interestng to see what they say, I don't think they will see this as a mistake, as all their block heels seem to have a significant overhang. - it's my least favorite thing about Whites.

Apparently it's very easy to sand them down closer to flush, but whites seems to refuse to do it. I asked bakers to do it for me before they send the ones I have on order and Kyle said it's no problem.
post #3708 of 4476
Oh, and can we avoid the tapered vs blocked debate? Some of us like one, and some the other. Both are fine options.
post #3709 of 4476
Same thing said for standard vs lowered heel- or do all steakhouses serve the exact same cuts? wink.gif

That said, I'm a medium rare, salt and pepper kinda guy
Edited by b-ewing - 5/6/14 at 8:44pm
post #3710 of 4476
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Originally Posted by hollowsleather View Post

 If you want your maker's best, you need to order your maker's specialty.

That being said all cuts are made by a hand, and a human one at that. I’ve noticed even my Cuban heels seem to have a bit of asymmetry going and I rather like it :D… Try buying that at a waltonville. :tounge:

post #3711 of 4476
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Originally Posted by 4characters View Post
 

Try buying that at a waltonville. :tounge:

Yeah, but a Whites runs at $400-500. If they were a $200 boot I`d accept it, but they should pay more attention to the finish...

post #3712 of 4476

Hear ya daizawaguy.

I have every little imperfection on my boots memorized and I sometimes curse them, but at the end of the day there the best boots I know and I love them.

post #3713 of 4476
Yes, White's run $400-500, and that makes them pretty much the cheapest customizable bench-made boots available, and that's a big part of why they're so popular.

It's fine to expect an easy fix for small finishing mistakes (and White's will probably grind that heel no problem), but it's silly to think that $500 bucks gets you flawless quality, that's just not how it works. It's a decent chunk of cash, but it's still entry level for this market.
post #3714 of 4476


Unfortunately for our wallets, I think hollowsleather is right.  And minor flaws here and there are no big deal.  But the sort of mistakes that White's seems to be making recently seem to be the kind that just come from inattention.  In my case, putting the wrong sole on, and making the two boots in two different sizes (!), even marked as different sizes.  This is the sort of thing you don't expect at any price really.  I still think Whites is a great company, and I hope this is not really a trend, just some honest mistakes.

 

As far as the heel overhang goes, I think the simplest solution is to have a local cobbler you trust sand it down..

post #3715 of 4476
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Originally Posted by daizawaguy View Post

Yeah, but a Whites runs at $400-500. If they were a $200 boot I`d accept it, but they should pay more attention to the finish...

At $400-500, fit and finish is not something White's is overly concerned with. Their principle demographic is firefighters and loggers. They're not Viberg, and they're not catering to the fashion market. White's Boots boots are incredibly well-made, and I doubt you'll see any flaws on a pair that impair the durability of the boot, but things like sloppy welt termination and sole stitching, and variations in heel shelf aren't out of the norm. Here (http://imgur.com/a/zB1wF) is an album of some White's Boots. I don't consider any of these examples to be out-of-spec, and that's OK. They're work boots—that's not to say workers can't appreciate fit and finish, but at their price-point, White's isn't going to throw out a pair and start over because the sole stitching is a little bit fucked up looking. It's not one of their goals to avoid it.

I'd imagine there's a reason the Imogene+Willie collaborations, and the boots on Rakuten, are significantly more expensive. I'd say if more refined fit and finish is something that's important to you, those are options worth looking into. From what I've seen, Nick's Boots does a bit of a better job in this regard, but they're in the same price-point, catering to the same firefighters and loggers, so I still wouldn't expect impeccable fit and finish.
post #3716 of 4476
In manufacturing we have a saying that you can have speed, quality, and affordability pick two. White's are faster than the others and more affordable than most in this bracket. Nicks are about the same in price, and from the looks the quality is very nice but the wait is 16-20 weeks. Viberg has stopped doing custom and now only does things on their terms. Julian's boots are the tops in quality, price and speed (2-4 weeks) fully bench made you choose the leathers and lasts.Then there are all the options in Japan Zerrow's, Rolling Dub Trio and Horseman Joe Leathers among others who are producing amazing quality boots fairly quickly but are more expensive. So what I'm saying is there are plenty of options all with their pros and cons. As consumers it is our choice and by now we should all know what we are getting. not to excuse legitimate quality issues and as has been expressed each of these companies is happy to fix the problem. We are not buying nikes. we are buying handcrafted custom footwear that most people cannot afford and do not understand. all we need to do is change our perspective a little and deal with with these realities and in return we get boots that are made to last a lifetime with care.
post #3717 of 4476
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Originally Posted by sleepy94 View Post

In manufacturing we have a saying that you can have speed, quality, and affordability pick two. White's are faster than the others and more affordable than most in this bracket. Nicks are about the same in price, and from the looks the quality is very nice but the wait is 16-20 weeks. Viberg has stopped doing custom and now only does things on their terms. Julian's boots are the tops in quality, price and speed (2-4 weeks) fully bench made you choose the leathers and lasts.Then there are all the options in Japan Zerrow's, Rolling Dub Trio and Horseman Joe Leathers among others who are producing amazing quality boots fairly quickly but are more expensive. So what I'm saying is there are plenty of options all with their pros and cons. As consumers it is our choice and by now we should all know what we are getting. not to excuse legitimate quality issues and as has been expressed each of these companies is happy to fix the problem. We are not buying nikes. we are buying handcrafted custom footwear that most people cannot afford and do not understand. all we need to do is change our perspective a little and deal with with these realities and in return we get boots that are made to last a lifetime with care.

Curious: where can you choose options for Julian boots?
post #3718 of 4476
@linafelt i contacted them directly. They take a little while to respond but patience is a virtue rewarded with fine leather footwear.
post #3719 of 4476
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Originally Posted by sleepy94 View Post

In manufacturing we have a saying that you can have speed, quality, and affordability pick two. White's are faster than the others and more affordable than most in this bracket. Nicks are about the same in price, and from the looks the quality is very nice but the wait is 16-20 weeks. Viberg has stopped doing custom and now only does things on their terms. Julian's boots are the tops in quality, price and speed (2-4 weeks) fully bench made you choose the leathers and lasts.Then there are all the options in Japan Zerrow's, Rolling Dub Trio and Horseman Joe Leathers among others who are producing amazing quality boots fairly quickly but are more expensive. So what I'm saying is there are plenty of options all with their pros and cons. As consumers it is our choice and by now we should all know what we are getting. not to excuse legitimate quality issues and as has been expressed each of these companies is happy to fix the problem. We are not buying nikes. we are buying handcrafted custom footwear that most people cannot afford and do not understand. all we need to do is change our perspective a little and deal with with these realities and in return we get boots that are made to last a lifetime with care.

To be fair, I've heard of significant quality control issues coming out of Julian, and they're also Goodyear-welted boots, not stitch-down constructed ones. I've heard claims that Julian isn't making the boots and that production is outsourced to Mexico.
post #3720 of 4476
Not a clue about where they are made and I would actually consider Julian more of a fashion or lifestyle brand than a traditional workboot brand. I have two pair of whites and love them. the arch ease fits my foot perfectly and have yet to try anything that beats them in all day comfort. say what you will about looks and quality but I do love the fit of their boots.
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