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post #3226 of 6048
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Originally Posted by ohiorick View Post
 

Great looking boots.    I wonder if I could get you to comment on the area between the heel and the stitching on the sole ( or post another pic).  I just received my first pair of Whites and am somewhat distressed to see that my boots have almost 3/4  inch of sole showing in this area.  I am wondering if this is how the they make them or if my pair did not get trimmed properly.   I have other pairs of boots that do not show nearly as much sole and I find it unattractive on my boots.  Your pair look fine and I would like to see more detail in that area to compare.  

Would not be too concerned here, but do know what you are talking about. The Whites on ebay have some pretty large areas...

 

 

 

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semi dress with French calf
got these from line gear a few years back, didn't wear much, now really getting back into boots, particularly whites and nicks:
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Here are some shots  of the problem.  I sent these to Kyle and I have not heard from him on this yet. The photos do not show the issue as well as actually seeing the boots on person.  When I compare these to my other brand , cheaper boots , I really think they need to go back for some kind of fix. Likely no one but me would ever notice, but I plan to have these for a long time and would like to see this repaired.  Am I being too picky  about this?   

post #3230 of 6048

Difficult to see in there with only the last pic being in focus.

 

From what I can tell the shelf seems larger than many of the boots that have been posted here, but it's difficult to say what White's considers 'normal'.

We don't really have access to their 'standards' and chances are there's nothing written down anyway.

We also have to keep in mind that this is a workboot company, one that prides itself on fit and durability.

Although they generally look really good, this is more down to form following function than aesthetic decisions - I'll bet looks are not in the top two of their priority list. 

post #3231 of 6048

I guess I have expectations that the sole of the boot should follow the shape of the upper and not have a "shelf".  These are the most expensive boots I have ever owned and while I agree that they are "work" boots, I see no reason for them to be any less quality and level of craftsmanship than my RW Iron Rangers.   I will see what Kyle has to say and go from there. I hope White's decides to make some changes to the soles on this pair.  

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Originally Posted by hendjosh View Post

This is my first post on this forum as I am thinking on buying my first pair of White's. Originally, I had been looking at Red Wings,  but after reading this forum and IronHeart I am going to bypass Red Wings and go straight to White's. I'd like to say thanks to all those who have posted a wealth of information about the various options offered. The pictures of builds, boots as they have aged, and leather sample pictures have been most helpful.

Below is the build I am thinking about and would appreciate any comments on my options.

Bounty Hunter

Leather Liner: Brown

Size - Length: 12

Height: 6"

Toe Cap: No Thanks

Celastic Toe Box: Single Celastic Toe

Toe Vamp Leather: Red Dog Oiled

Last: Semi Dress (Bounty Hunter)

Hardware: Antique Eyes & Hooks

Heel Base: Standard

Steel Toe: No Thanks

Size - Width: C

Heel Lifts: Standard

Toe Cap Leather Color: Does not apply

Top: Cut Top (standard)

Midsole: Single

Lace Design: Lace to Toe
Edge: Brown or Black?

Counter Leather: Red Dog Oiled
Upper (Shaft) Leather:  British Tan or maybe Brown Bison?

Pull Loops: Leather Pull Loops

Sole: Vibram 430 Mini Vib

Hey, no Red Dog/Brown Bison combos, that's my special build. lol8[1].gif
Seriously though, it is a beautiful combo! I can relate to what ojaw said about staying with one color, but the Red Dog darkens a little, and let's face it, part of the great thing about White's is that you CAN specify two colors for the boots. Blue suede and Red Dog might be a bit much for a first pair, but staying with browns and blacks is pretty safe.

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Originally Posted by ohiorick View Post

I guess I have expectations that the sole of the boot should follow the shape of the upper and not have a "shelf".  These are the most expensive boots I have ever owned and while I agree that they are "work" boots, I see no reason for them to be any less quality and level of craftsmanship than my RW Iron Rangers.   I will see what Kyle has to say and go from there. I hope White's decides to make some changes to the soles on this pair.  

Rick,

No, that big "shelf" is normal. I know what you mean though, when I got my first pair I was thinking it looked wrong. You have to remember, these aren't dress shoes with their fitted wasp-waist. They are derived from workboots used to log the big forests of the northwest and fight forest fires. The big shelf was there to protect the arch of the upper above it.

Andy B.
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There is a little bit of a shelf on the work boots I just bought in that same area but not like the shelf in those pics.  I'd be slightly upset if it were me considering what these things cost.  My false tongues have the holes in a different spot making one stick out more than the other but I can live with that considering these boots are hand made but a shelf that big I'd complain about.

post #3234 of 6048
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Originally Posted by andy b. View Post


Rick,

No, that big "shelf" is normal. I know what you mean though, when I got my first pair I was thinking it looked wrong. You have to remember, these aren't dress shoes with their fitted wasp-waist. They are derived from workboots used to log the big forests of the northwest and fight forest fires. The big shelf was there to protect the arch of the upper above it.

Andy B.

Andy,
The shelf is not the same from one side of the boot to the other ,nor is it the same from one boot to the other. I have never seen a shelf on any boot, so I can't say good or bad on that. It seems that a shelf this large would be a bad thing on a work boot, one made to wear fighting forest fires as it would be able to load up with embers, ash or mud. The Bounty Hunter is a Smoke Jumper made on a semi dress last, so it should be a dressed up work boot . No? Thanks for your input on this. It is a learning experience and it will work out in the end. I doubt I will be happy wearing these as they are and I trust Baker's will make it right.
post #3235 of 6048
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Originally Posted by ohiorick View Post















Here are some shots  of the problem.  I sent these to Kyle and I have not heard from him on this yet. The photos do not show the issue as well as actually seeing the boots on person.  When I compare these to my other brand , cheaper boots , I really think they need to go back for some kind of fix. Likely no one but me would ever notice, but I plan to have these for a long time and would like to see this repaired.  Am I being too picky  about this?   

I would expect more for a pair of $400+ boots.
post #3236 of 6048

Just placed my custom order - Kyle says it'll be done in 4-6 weeks. Can't wait!

 

It's not a super out-of-this-world custom but just something simple and classy I can pair with most of my wardrobe.

 

Horse Hide Semi Dress by White's 
Upper (Shaft) Leather: Black Horse Hide
Edge: Natural
Leather Liner: Red
Toe Vamp Leather: Black Horse Hide
Sole: Vibram 430 Mini Vib
Celastic Toe Box: Single Celastic Toe
Last: Standard
Midsole: Single
Toe Cap Leather Color: Black Horse Hide
Size - Length: 10.5
Hardware: All Brass Eyes
Heel Lifts: Standard
Size - Width: D (medium)
Toe Cap: Medallion Toe Cap
Pull Loops: No Thanks
Heel Base: Standard
Sole Trim: Standard Trim

post #3237 of 6048
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Originally Posted by ohiorick View Post

Andy,
The shelf is not the same from one side of the boot to the other ,nor is it the same from one boot to the other. I have never seen a shelf on any boot, so I can't say good or bad on that. It seems that a shelf this large would be a bad thing on a work boot, one made to wear fighting forest fires as it would be able to load up with embers, ash or mud. The Bounty Hunter is a Smoke Jumper made on a semi dress last, so it should be a dressed up work boot . No? Thanks for your input on this. It is a learning experience and it will work out in the end. I doubt I will be happy wearing these as they are and I trust Baker's will make it right.

The inner shelf (the one on the inside of the boot) is larger than the outer shelf because of the way the upper is shaped, so the "shelves" on one single boot will not be the same on both sides. As for the left boot being different than the right, I would say that is a common complaint about White's. I think only if there is a drastic difference does anyone really notice or return them. I have three pairs, and there are definitely minor differences between the left and right on each one. It's just part of the process when building something by hand with very thick leather.

The shelf protects the upper from punctures coming from below. When fighting fires you're supposed to try and not wade through 4" deep piles of embers. lol8[1].gif Besides, the embers really won't hurt the uppers if they are properly treated and cleaned once you get out of the fire. I mean, if you're standing in one spot and the ground is glowing red and 700 degrees as far as you can see, you better get moving.

I know what you mean about the BHs being built on the SD last, but that is just the shape of the upper. The basic boot itself is still a SJ workboot.

I know what you're saying though. I would definitely contact Kyle at Baker's and I have no doubt he'll do what needs to be done.
post #3238 of 6048
Hi all, protection or no extra protection the "shelf" varies from boot yo boot, definitely depends on who finished them at White's. A good cobbler can have them trimmed in and edges re-coloured in under ten minutes as I often do with boots, Viberg included. They are work boots but as most on here aren't buying them for that reason alone it's right that they should look right. Simple fix and I'm sure if Bakers don't offer up the fix then for 10 dollars or less wherever you are you can get them looking spot on.
post #3239 of 6048

Talked to Kyle at Baker's today. I am going to send my boots back to let White's do whatever needs to be done to fix them.  So, the waiting begins again.  I am sure they will come back to me better than new.  

post #3240 of 6048
On my order I have requested that a photo be taken of my boots and emailed to me for approval before White's sends them out. Josh had no problem with this and it may prevent heartache for both parties.
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