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post #3031 of 5855
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Originally Posted by kenucklehead View Post

 

Question for you. Can you tell me what you notice is the difference between the SJ last and the BH/SD last? Photos to demonstrate?

 

Thanks

Ken

A Bounty Hunter is the Smokejumper but done in the semidress last.  Smokejumper is built on a different/bulkier last.

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Thanks. Yes, I realize the BH is the SD last. However, I am more curious how it compares to the SJ last. I've seen photos that show the SJ is narrower but then I hear others describe it as bulkier. I've searched for photos for comparison but there don't seem to be any available. Photos would definitely help, but BH/SD sounds like the way to go as I don't want bulkier.

 

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Originally Posted by cathpah View Post
 

A Bounty Hunter is the Smokejumper but done in the semidress last.  Smokejumper is built on a different/bulkier last.

post #3033 of 5855
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Originally Posted by andy b. View Post


I like that "keeping it to a minimum" note at the end. I think it is too late for that. biggrin.gif

First, you shouldn't need a shoehorn to get the boots on. Have you tried wearing them with thinner socks? I realize that isn't going to be much help in the winter, but the reason I ask is do they fit poorly because you are wearing too tight of a boot (which thinner socks may help diagnose as they can easily alter the size by one width and even some in length), or do the boots fit poorly because there is a pressure point somewhere that may be due to a defect or the size just being way off.

You say your Smokejumpers fit fine at first, and loosened up as they broke in. Have you changed the socks you're wearing or anything else with them? I only ask because while my White's have gotten more comfortable with wear and the initial tightness due to the stiffness of the leather has gone away, I would say they now fit better. They conform more to my foot. I'm not sure I would consider it looseness, because they don't slide around on my feet, but the "new boot" stiffness is gone.

There is something else to keep in mind. I'm guessing when you say Classic, you mean the Classic Work Boot here:
http://www.bakershoe.com/Product/Detail/whites-classic-work-boot/
The description states is is made using the "new classic last". I can say with 100% confidence (due to experience) that each White's last fits differently. It may very well be that the classic last is very tight across the instep, or some other difference to it just doesn't fit your foot. I would say my Smokejumpers have a loose-fitting last (mine are built on the 461 last), but my Packers have a VERY tight fit across the instep. The Packers are built on their own type of last.

Second, I'll admit it, the first thing I do when I get a new pair of leather footwear is hit it with the Obenauf's LP. You can tell right away if the leather is dry (it soaks it right up), or if the leather is well-oiled (you have to wipe a lot of the Obenauf's off). The first year or so I may oil the boots every 3-6 months. After that it depends on if the leather starts looking dry. It has been a year since I've oiled my Bounty Hunters and Packers. It's been a year for the Smokejumpers as well, but I didn't wear them at all last summer, and have really only been wearing them often the past two months. They don't seem dry at all, so I'll wait a little longer before I oil them again.

If your boots are getting soaked from melting snow and you have to wash salt off of them often, you may very well need to oil them once or twice a month. It depends on the conditions you wear them in.

Andy B.


Hello Andy,

I was out on the road so it's taken a few days to respond to all the posts.

 

The Smokejumpers I bought right off the shelf in an 11.5 D.  I have always worn a 12 in everything else.  The store I went to is basically a cowboy type store but they sell a lot of Smokejumpers.  The guy there said it's best to find a size that fits rather than take measurements because it's easier to get a problem fixed if it is a standard size rather than having something custom built and then have White's say that I screwed up the tracings.  I tried on a 12, an 11, and the 11.5 in various widths and the 11.5D fit the best and the arch was in the right place rather than too far back as it was with an 11.  I originally ordered the work boots (yes those that you posted the link to) based off the fit I got with the various Smokejumpers.  The Smokejumpers were an afterthought and I bought the 11.5D.

 

I figured that even though the Classic work Boots are built on a tighter last that they would still be fine and White's told me there was more room in the toe box on the work boots so i just ordered them in the size that fit me the best with the Smokejumpers.  I went back a few days later and picked up the Smokejumpers which were a little uncomforatable for about 2 weeks but have broken in  nicely.  They are pretty roomy but I wouldn't say loose at all.  I could probably wear a heavy sock instead of the midweights i normally wear and they would be perfect.  No problem there since I will probably wear them mostly in the winter anyway.  They do work with medium weight socks though. The work boots on the other hand have been real snug all the way around.  Especially over the arch area and even more so in the upper shaft where they fit around the leg up above the ankle.  The leather on the left, outer part of the left boot has been VERY uncomfortable since it is constantly pressing on my leg right above the ankle.  The right boot is VERY tough to get my right foot into but once it's in there the boot fits fine.

 

I'm actually not worried about the work boots now.  After the double oiling and then two days later the double Obenhaufing they are far more pliable than they were and the left boot isn't pressing on the left outer leg anymore except once in a while and the right boot is getting easier to put on. I don't know if it had anything to do with it but last night I spent a few hours walking qaround in foot deep snow and they got thoroughly soaked.  They fit better today than they ever have.  I haven't tried a thinner sock yet and may do that to see if it makes a big difference or not.

 

I believe you are right on the money when you say the White's lasts all fit different and that is probably the only reason the Classic Work Boots fit so much more snugly than the Smokejumpers did.  The leather on the new Classics is FAR stiffer than the Smokejumpers were when they were new and I think it's just going to take some more time to get them worn in.  All in all I won't be Obenhaufing or oilng them for a while unless I spend more time in them wading through deep snow.  I do know that overdoing that will ruin the boots in short order but as near as i can tell mine seemed to love it.  No harm done here but i think even though they were new the leather was on the dry side.  They soaked that stuff up in minutes.  These "treatments' were all done days and weeks apart, not all right in a row because i didn't want to overdo it and ruin them.  I oiled or Obenhaufed then waited to see what the results were.

 

Last but not least my boots do get soaked regularly with snow.  They also have diesel fuel and DEF splashed on them once in a while which is why I keep leather oiled.  Diesel Exhaust Fluid is particularly nasty on leather and wouldn't you know it i had some splash all over these boots just the other day.  The very day after I had just Obenhaufed them.  Luckily, no damage or stains at all.  It figures, I never have had that stuff splash on my shoes ever before.  Only when I'm wearing a brand new pair of $600 White's.

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Originally Posted by missusjuiceman View Post


holy shit stop treating your boots and just wear them

:D  I know, I know.  I do wear them.  Like about 18 hours a day.  As I explained in another post to Andy I don't think I did anything to ruin them.  They are fine and I won't be "treating" them so much in the future.

 

I appreciate your concern.:slayer:

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Originally Posted by cathpah View Post
 

I wouldn't add any more product (and likely never would've put Obenaufs on the inside of my boot).  Boots take a while to break in, and the tougher the boot, the longer the break-in process will generally be.  Just be patient, and wear them for half-days until you can stand to wear them for a full day.

 

All that said, I have 9" Bounty Hunters in their smooth distressed leather (one of their 4 thickest options) and it's also lined...and while they're certainly not slippers yet, the only time they're painful is when I'm walking up a steep incline...and that's just because the heelcup hasn't softened up yet.  I wonder if you were fitted correctly for your boots.  Where do they hurt?

 

Really, though...no more product on that leather for a while.  Let them breathe, and take the break-in process slowly if you have to.  If they don't fit, cut your losses, sell them on ebay, and try again at a better size for you.


I appreciate the advice and I won't be putting anything more on them for a while.  They are starting to fit much better now.

post #3036 of 5855
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I had to have my SO read this post and summarize it to me because I can't read that much in one sitting.

:crackup:I had someone on another forum say the exact same thing about my posts.  Geez, i hope i don't become a real regular on this forum or your SO will be doing a lot of reading for you!  I do tend to be slightly long winded sometimes but I'm just trying to give all relevant details.

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Originally Posted by cathpah View Post
 

I wouldn't add any more product (and likely never would've put Obenaufs on the inside of my boot).  Boots take a while to break in, and the tougher the boot, the longer the break-in process will generally be.  Just be patient, and wear them for half-days until you can stand to wear them for a full day.

 

All that said, I have 9" Bounty Hunters in their smooth distressed leather (one of their 4 thickest options) and it's also lined...and while they're certainly not slippers yet, the only time they're painful is when I'm walking up a steep incline...and that's just because the heelcup hasn't softened up yet.  I wonder if you were fitted correctly for your boots.  Where do they hurt?

 

Really, though...no more product on that leather for a while.  Let them breathe, and take the break-in process slowly if you have to.  If they don't fit, cut your losses, sell them on ebay, and try again at a better size for you.

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 Where do they hurt? 

Mainly on the left side of the left boot.  The leather on the upper left shaft is just pushing in on my leg.  It has been so painful I have had to take them off after about 5 hours.  As you can see in my other posts.  That problem has just about gone away.  they are still a little snug in other areas but they seem to be breaking in quite well.  They are still quite stiff all around though.

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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

:crackup:I had someone on another forum say the exact same thing about my posts.  Geez, i hope i don't become a real regular on this forum or your SO will be doing a lot of reading for you!  I do tend to be slightly long winded sometimes but I'm just trying to give all relevant details.

It's OK; she can deal with it.

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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

Mainly on the left side of the left boot.  The leather on the upper left shaft is just pushing in on my leg.  It has been so painful I have had to take them off after about 5 hours.  As you can see in my other posts.  That problem has just about gone away.  they are still a little snug in other areas but they seem to be breaking in quite well.  They are still quite stiff all around though.

Have you ever been measured properly on a Brannock device?

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Originally Posted by anrobit View Post
 

Have you ever been measured properly on a Brannock device?


Not in about 30 years.  I've never bought anything like White's before and up until now just walked in and ordered size 12.  Everything has fit fine but then, I've never bought anything like White's before.  The Filson Chukka's I  bought years ago which I am replacing now with the White's I ordered in a 12 through the mail and after about a month of extreme discomfort ended up being just the most comfortable shoes I ever owned.  I do have fairly wide, flat feet.  I remember when I was FAR younger than now getting a pair of double E's one time.  That was probably 35 years ago.

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I have another question about breaking in these boots.  I've noticed that as they are breaking in they feel just right in one area one day and then too tight or to loose in that same area another day.  For example.  The work boots have a lot of room in the toe area most of the time but then they are tighter in that area on another day and then go back to being looser.  Same across the arch and in the heel area.  My SD's did that until they have now seemed to settle down.  I do realize that feet change size from day to day and from the beginning of the day to the end.  Is that what it is or is it the leather stretching and moving around as is breaks in?

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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

I have another question about breaking in these boots.  I've noticed that as they are breaking in they feel just right in one area one day and then too tight or to loose in that same area another day.  For example.  The work boots have a lot of room in the toe area most of the time but then they are tighter in that area on another day and then go back to being looser.  Same across the arch and in the heel area.  My SD's did that until they have now seemed to settle down.  I do realize that feet change size from day to day and from the beginning of the day to the end.  Is that what it is or is it the leather stretching and moving around as is breaks in?

If you're confident you have the right size, then just keep wearing them. They'll settle in, over time. 

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Originally Posted by anrobit View Post
 

If you're confident you have the right size, then just keep wearing them. They'll settle in, over time. 


We'll see.  I'll give them a couple more months and if they don't fit right I'll make a phone call.  The biggest problem is I don't do very much walking.  Not near as much as the average person.  I am paid to sit so it will probably take me about 3X longer to get these worn in.  I can already tell that this oil finish leather is some tough stuff.  It's been like strapping those hard plastic moto-cross boots from the 80's to my feet.  Those moto-cross boots, by the way, were FAR more comfy but then they didn't stretch and conform with time as I'm sure this leather will.

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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

Mainly on the left side of the left boot.  The leather on the upper left shaft is just pushing in on my leg.  It has been so painful I have had to take them off after about 5 hours.  As you can see in my other posts.  That problem has just about gone away.  they are still a little snug in other areas but they seem to be breaking in quite well.  They are still quite stiff all around though.

Is it in the spot where you fold the gusset of the tongue?  If so, that'll smooth/flatten out in time.

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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 


We'll see.  I'll give them a couple more months and if they don't fit right I'll make a phone call.  The biggest problem is I don't do very much walking.  Not near as much as the average person.  I am paid to sit so it will probably take me about 3X longer to get these worn in. 

 

I've had my bison bounty hunters since October, do a lot of sitting, and wear them a couple times a week. I usually measure E, but Kyle at Bakers measured me at a B and D. They were brutal at first and felt slightly tight when I first put them on for a long time. A couple weeks ago, they clicked and are absolutely perfect in every way. Give it time. 

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