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post #3001 of 4778
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Originally Posted by bellyhungry View Post

Those well-aged Chestnut Beckman really stands out...

Funny, I broke out my chestnut beckmans after a year or so of non-wear, gave em a shot of renovateur.
Laced tight they look really nice. Forgot how much I like the color.
Anyhow, back to white's!
post #3002 of 4778

Hello Everyone,

I'm knew to the forum and never thought I'd join a "style" forum but here I am.

 

I have just purchased a pair of black rough out Smokejumpers.  I bought those because my Filson Chukka's have most probably given up the ghost after around 7 years of constant use during the winters.  I am searching for a cobbler in SLC to maybe have them returned to life.  That, however, is not why I am posting.  If I have to throw the Filson Chukkas out then that is the way it will be.

 

In any case, I have read almost every post on this forum concerning White's boots.  I originally ordered a pair of their Classic Work Boots and then realized that I had no boots to wear to work in which is why I bought the Smokejumpers to hold me over until I got the Classic's.  I'm a truck driver and deliver propane to some of the most out-of-the-way places there are.

 

Now that I think about it the Smokejumper's should have been the first purchase since I spend so much time in the snow all winter long.  The Classics will be mainly for summer.  After spending time in -22 degree weather and walking through a foot of snow constantly for hours I realized the Filsons just weren't up to the task and they started coming apart after that delivery.  I bought a pair of Sorrell's and then realized I had to 'update" my foot wear collection.

 

The Smokejumpers are absolutely fantastic.  It took about 2 weeks to break them in and now, except for the clunky Vibram sole they come with they are just about like slippers made of leather.  The Classic's arrived after only 4 weeks from Whites to the store I bought both pairs from.

 

I bought the Smokejumpers right off the shelf in an 11.5 D and they fit just fine although slightly loose now that they are broken in.  I just went ahead and ordered the Classic Work boot in the same size and they DO fit different.  No problem with the Smokejumpers since they will be mainly winter boots and I'll get some heavyweight socks instead of the mid weights I originally sized them with eventhough with mid-weight socks they are fine.

 

Here is the problem.  The Smokejumpers were a little tough to break in.  Considering what I do for  living there isn't a lot of walking while I'm working so it's taking longer than for a normal person.  Therefore it's going to take a little longer to break the Classic's in.  The Classic's on the other hand have felt like I'm strapping steel to my foot every day.  They are "stiff" to say the least which I expected.  My Filson's took about a month to break in when I bought them years ago.

 

I ordered the brown oil finish, captoe in brown oil finish, double celastic toe, leather lined, and brass hardware.  After reading the majority of the posts on this forum I realize that ordering leather lined especially with their most durable oil finished leather the "break in" was going to be VERY uncomfortable to say the least and I haven't been disappointed.

 

When I got the Smokejumpers which I bought off the shelf they were tight here and there as the break in time went by.  I Obenhaufed them twice within a week of owning them.  Then I Obenhaufed them again a week later and then oiled them a week after that.  They are just about perfect now.  I even Obenhaufed the inside of them.

 

The Classic's are a different story.  These things have been pure torture.  My right foot doesn't even fit into the boot and without the pull strap I couldn't even do it unless I got a shore horn.  It takes some serious "wrestling" to get my right foot into the boot.  Once it's in there it's a little tight but not bad at all..  I realize leather stretches with time so I'm not worried.  It is getting better as time goes on and I don't think sending them back will be necessary since they fit quite well once I get the right foot in.

 

These Classics fit pretty good but every day they seem to fit different just as the Smokejumpers still do once in a while.  I stayed away from "over oiling" and "murdering" the Classic's with Obenhauf's but decided they needed it since the leather was so stiff.

 

The Smokejumpers are just about perfect and I have no intention of oiling or Obenhaufing them for quite some time but the Classic's seemed like they needed it so last night I oiled them twice and they felt much better today.  They soaked that oil right up in a matter of minutes.  Tonight I got out the hair dryer and Obenhaufed them.  They soaked that up in minutes as well.  I'lI try them again tomorrow.

 

My question is?  Has anyone else ever had to oil and Obenhauf to get a White's boot to "soften up" and break in?  I'm oiling and Obenhaufing just enough to soften up the leather so they'll break in.  I realize too much of either oil or Obenhauf's can ruin them.  I might add that these boots, even though they are brand new, soak up the oil and Obenhauf's at a drastic rate leading me to believe that the leather is somewhat dry even though it is brand new..

 

After the double oiling last night the Classic's felt much better today running errands on my day off.  I just Obenhaufed them and will see how they are tomorrow.  I even Obenhaufed the inside as Obenhauf recommends and I know that treating the inside isn't necessary.  I did it to the Smokejumper's and it seemed to help the break-in considerably.  I won't be "treating" the inside in the future once the Calssic's are worn in...

 

I won't have problems down the road treating them like this, Will I?.  I am keeping it to a minimum.

post #3003 of 4778
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Originally Posted by cathpah View Post

They're actually only 6ish months old...I tend to put my boots through their paces.

Edit:  I've been wearing my White's pretty hard ever since I got them (have probably put 20-30 miles in the woods on them), and all they would need is a quick brushing and they'd look pretty close to new, aside from lace imprints on tongue and around shaft.  That "smooth distressed" is some seriously impressive leather.

those BH seems to have a lower toe profile compared to others i have seen. is that the standard toe box?

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Originally Posted by meso View Post

Funny, I broke out my chestnut beckmans after a year or so of non-wear, gave em a shot of renovateur.
Laced tight they look really nice. Forgot how much I like the color.
Anyhow, back to white's!

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post #3004 of 4778
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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post

Hello Everyone,
I'm knew to the forum and never thought I'd join a "style" forum but here I am.

I have just purchased a pair of black rough out Smokejumpers.  I bought those because my Filson Chukka's have most probably given up the ghost after around 7 years of constant use during the winters.  I am searching for a cobbler in SLC to maybe have them returned to life.  That, however, is not why I am posting.  If I have to throw the Filson Chukkas out then that is the way it will be.
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In any case, I have read almost every post on this forum concerning White's boots.  I originally ordered a pair of their Classic Work Boots and then realized that I had no boots to wear to work in which is why I bought the Smokejumpers to hold me over until I got the Classic's.  I'm a truck driver and deliver propane to some of the most out-of-the-way places there are.

Now that I think about it the Smokejumper's should have been the first purchase since I spend so much time in the snow all winter long.  The Classics will be mainly for summer.  After spending time in -22 degree weather and walking through a foot of snow constantly for hours I realized the Filsons just weren't up to the task and they started coming apart after that delivery.  I bought a pair of Sorrell's and then realized I had to 'update" my foot wear collection.

The Smokejumpers are absolutely fantastic.  It took about 2 weeks to break them in and now, except for the clunky Vibram sole they come with they are just about like slippers made of leather.  The Classic's arrived after only 4 weeks from Whites to the store I bought both pairs from.

I bought the Smokejumpers right off the shelf in an 11.5 D and they fit just fine although slightly loose now that they are broken in.  I just went ahead and ordered the Classic Work boot in the same size and they DO fit different.  No problem with the Smokejumpers since they will be mainly winter boots and I'll get some heavyweight socks instead of the mid weights I originally sized them with eventhough with mid-weight socks they are fine.

Here is the problem.  The Smokejumpers were a little tough to break in.  Considering what I do for  living there isn't a lot of walking while I'm working so it's taking longer than for a normal person.  Therefore it's going to take a little longer to break the Classic's in.  The Classic's on the other hand have felt like I'm strapping steel to my foot every day.  They are "stiff" to say the least which I expected.  My Filson's took about a month to break in when I bought them years ago.

I ordered the brown oil finish, captoe in brown oil finish, double celastic toe, leather lined, and brass hardware.  After reading the majority of the posts on this forum I realize that ordering leather lined especially with their most durable oil finished leather the "break in" was going to be VERY uncomfortable to say the least and I haven't been disappointed.

When I got the Smokejumpers which I bought off the shelf they were tight here and there as the break in time went by.  I Obenhaufed them twice within a week of owning them.  Then I Obenhaufed them again a week later and then oiled them a week after that.  They are just about perfect now.  I even Obenhaufed the inside of them.

The Classic's are a different story.  These things have been pure torture.  My right foot doesn't even fit into the boot and without the pull strap I couldn't even do it unless I got a shore horn.  It takes some serious "wrestling" to get my right foot into the boot.  Once it's in there it's a little tight but not bad at all..  I realize leather stretches with time so I'm not worried.  It is getting better as time goes on and I don't think sending them back will be necessary since they fit quite well once I get the right foot in.

These Classics fit pretty good but every day they seem to fit different just as the Smokejumpers still do once in a while.  I stayed away from "over oiling" and "murdering" the Classic's with Obenhauf's but decided they needed it since the leather was so stiff.

The Smokejumpers are just about perfect and I have no intention of oiling or Obenhaufing them for quite some time but the Classic's seemed like they needed it so last night I oiled them twice and they felt much better today.  They soaked that oil right up in a matter of minutes.  Tonight I got out the hair dryer and Obenhaufed them.  They soaked that up in minutes as well.  I'lI try them again tomorrow.

My question is?  Has anyone else ever had to oil and Obenhauf to get a White's boot to "soften up" and break in?  I'm oiling and Obenhaufing just enough to soften up the leather so they'll break in.  I realize too much of either oil or Obenhauf's can ruin them.  I might add that these boots, even though they are brand new, soak up the oil and Obenhauf's at a drastic rate leading me to believe that the leather is somewhat dry even though it is brand new..

After the double oiling last night the Classic's felt much better today running errands on my day off.  I just Obenhaufed them and will see how they are tomorrow.  I even Obenhaufed the inside as Obenhauf recommends and I know that treating the inside isn't necessary.  I did it to the Smokejumper's and it seemed to help the break-in considerably.  I won't be "treating" the inside in the future once the Calssic's are worn in...

I won't have problems down the road treating them like this, Will I?.  I am keeping it to a minimum.

holy shit stop treating your boots and just wear them
post #3005 of 4778
Quote:
Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

Hello Everyone,

I'm knew to the forum and never thought I'd join a "style" forum but here I am.

 

I have just purchased a pair of black rough out Smokejumpers.  I bought those because my Filson Chukka's have most probably given up the ghost after around 7 years of constant use during the winters.  I am searching for a cobbler in SLC to maybe have them returned to life.  That, however, is not why I am posting.  If I have to throw the Filson Chukkas out then that is the way it will be.

 

In any case, I have read almost every post on this forum concerning White's boots.  I originally ordered a pair of their Classic Work Boots and then realized that I had no boots to wear to work in which is why I bought the Smokejumpers to hold me over until I got the Classic's.  I'm a truck driver and deliver propane to some of the most out-of-the-way places there are.

 

Now that I think about it the Smokejumper's should have been the first purchase since I spend so much time in the snow all winter long.  The Classics will be mainly for summer.  After spending time in -22 degree weather and walking through a foot of snow constantly for hours I realized the Filsons just weren't up to the task and they started coming apart after that delivery.  I bought a pair of Sorrell's and then realized I had to 'update" my foot wear collection.

 

The Smokejumpers are absolutely fantastic.  It took about 2 weeks to break them in and now, except for the clunky Vibram sole they come with they are just about like slippers made of leather.  The Classic's arrived after only 4 weeks from Whites to the store I bought both pairs from.

 

I bought the Smokejumpers right off the shelf in an 11.5 D and they fit just fine although slightly loose now that they are broken in.  I just went ahead and ordered the Classic Work boot in the same size and they DO fit different.  No problem with the Smokejumpers since they will be mainly winter boots and I'll get some heavyweight socks instead of the mid weights I originally sized them with eventhough with mid-weight socks they are fine.

 

Here is the problem.  The Smokejumpers were a little tough to break in.  Considering what I do for  living there isn't a lot of walking while I'm working so it's taking longer than for a normal person.  Therefore it's going to take a little longer to break the Classic's in.  The Classic's on the other hand have felt like I'm strapping steel to my foot every day.  They are "stiff" to say the least which I expected.  My Filson's took about a month to break in when I bought them years ago.

 

I ordered the brown oil finish, captoe in brown oil finish, double celastic toe, leather lined, and brass hardware.  After reading the majority of the posts on this forum I realize that ordering leather lined especially with their most durable oil finished leather the "break in" was going to be VERY uncomfortable to say the least and I haven't been disappointed.

 

When I got the Smokejumpers which I bought off the shelf they were tight here and there as the break in time went by.  I Obenhaufed them twice within a week of owning them.  Then I Obenhaufed them again a week later and then oiled them a week after that.  They are just about perfect now.  I even Obenhaufed the inside of them.

 

The Classic's are a different story.  These things have been pure torture.  My right foot doesn't even fit into the boot and without the pull strap I couldn't even do it unless I got a shore horn.  It takes some serious "wrestling" to get my right foot into the boot.  Once it's in there it's a little tight but not bad at all..  I realize leather stretches with time so I'm not worried.  It is getting better as time goes on and I don't think sending them back will be necessary since they fit quite well once I get the right foot in.

 

These Classics fit pretty good but every day they seem to fit different just as the Smokejumpers still do once in a while.  I stayed away from "over oiling" and "murdering" the Classic's with Obenhauf's but decided they needed it since the leather was so stiff.

 

The Smokejumpers are just about perfect and I have no intention of oiling or Obenhaufing them for quite some time but the Classic's seemed like they needed it so last night I oiled them twice and they felt much better today.  They soaked that oil right up in a matter of minutes.  Tonight I got out the hair dryer and Obenhaufed them.  They soaked that up in minutes as well.  I'lI try them again tomorrow.

 

My question is?  Has anyone else ever had to oil and Obenhauf to get a White's boot to "soften up" and break in?  I'm oiling and Obenhaufing just enough to soften up the leather so they'll break in.  I realize too much of either oil or Obenhauf's can ruin them.  I might add that these boots, even though they are brand new, soak up the oil and Obenhauf's at a drastic rate leading me to believe that the leather is somewhat dry even though it is brand new..

 

After the double oiling last night the Classic's felt much better today running errands on my day off.  I just Obenhaufed them and will see how they are tomorrow.  I even Obenhaufed the inside as Obenhauf recommends and I know that treating the inside isn't necessary.  I did it to the Smokejumper's and it seemed to help the break-in considerably.  I won't be "treating" the inside in the future once the Calssic's are worn in...

 

I won't have problems down the road treating them like this, Will I?.  I am keeping it to a minimum.

Stop everything you're doing. Stop. I had to have my SO read this post and summarize it to me because I can't read that much in one sitting. Don't oil any of your boots anymore, ever. Make a friend. Have that friend treat your boots when he or she deems it appropriate. 

post #3006 of 4778
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Originally Posted by bellyhungry View Post


those BH seems to have a lower toe profile compared to others i have seen. is that the standard toe box?
fistbump.gif

Standard toe-box, single celastic...8.5D

 

I f'n adore these boots.

post #3007 of 4778
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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post
 

Hello Everyone,

I'm knew to the forum and never thought I'd join a "style" forum but here I am.

...

I wouldn't add any more product (and likely never would've put Obenaufs on the inside of my boot).  Boots take a while to break in, and the tougher the boot, the longer the break-in process will generally be.  Just be patient, and wear them for half-days until you can stand to wear them for a full day.

 

All that said, I have 9" Bounty Hunters in their smooth distressed leather (one of their 4 thickest options) and it's also lined...and while they're certainly not slippers yet, the only time they're painful is when I'm walking up a steep incline...and that's just because the heelcup hasn't softened up yet.  I wonder if you were fitted correctly for your boots.  Where do they hurt?

 

Really, though...no more product on that leather for a while.  Let them breathe, and take the break-in process slowly if you have to.  If they don't fit, cut your losses, sell them on ebay, and try again at a better size for you.

post #3008 of 4778
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Originally Posted by b-ewing View Post


Not mine, nor the same build as asked about, but gives you an idea of what soft toe w/double midsoles looks like

 

Oh man, these are sexy.

 

I've been lurking this thread trying to decide on what to order, and I've settled on something similar to this, but with black leather, single midsole, and standard lowered heel. Just a few questions for the experts here - 

 

- What's the difference between the black stock leathers? Black Smooth, Dress, and Voyager? Also, has anyone had any experience with Black Bison? I considered Bullhide as well but I'm not a fan of how wrinkled it looks. I'm looking for something pretty durable and water-resistant that takes a decent matt-ish shine.

 

- Does anyone have long-term experience with the non-celastic toe? I'm wondering if it makes a durability difference in the long run - although I did read most actual firefighter smokejumpers are soft toe, and as far as I can tell by pushing down on them, my Alden shells and Red Wing GTs seem to have a soft toe as well with a fair bit of 'give'. 

 

Any help'd really be appreciated. Thanks!

post #3009 of 4778
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Originally Posted by trvlr472 View Post

Hello Everyone,
I'm knew to the forum and never thought I'd join a "style" forum but here I am.


I won't have problems down the road treating them like this, Will I?.  I am keeping it to a minimum.

I like that "keeping it to a minimum" note at the end. I think it is too late for that. biggrin.gif

First, you shouldn't need a shoehorn to get the boots on. Have you tried wearing them with thinner socks? I realize that isn't going to be much help in the winter, but the reason I ask is do they fit poorly because you are wearing too tight of a boot (which thinner socks may help diagnose as they can easily alter the size by one width and even some in length), or do the boots fit poorly because there is a pressure point somewhere that may be due to a defect or the size just being way off.

You say your Smokejumpers fit fine at first, and loosened up as they broke in. Have you changed the socks you're wearing or anything else with them? I only ask because while my White's have gotten more comfortable with wear and the initial tightness due to the stiffness of the leather has gone away, I would say they now fit better. They conform more to my foot. I'm not sure I would consider it looseness, because they don't slide around on my feet, but the "new boot" stiffness is gone.

There is something else to keep in mind. I'm guessing when you say Classic, you mean the Classic Work Boot here:
http://www.bakershoe.com/Product/Detail/whites-classic-work-boot/
The description states is is made using the "new classic last". I can say with 100% confidence (due to experience) that each White's last fits differently. It may very well be that the classic last is very tight across the instep, or some other difference to it just doesn't fit your foot. I would say my Smokejumpers have a loose-fitting last (mine are built on the 461 last), but my Packers have a VERY tight fit across the instep. The Packers are built on their own type of last.

Second, I'll admit it, the first thing I do when I get a new pair of leather footwear is hit it with the Obenauf's LP. You can tell right away if the leather is dry (it soaks it right up), or if the leather is well-oiled (you have to wipe a lot of the Obenauf's off). The first year or so I may oil the boots every 3-6 months. After that it depends on if the leather starts looking dry. It has been a year since I've oiled my Bounty Hunters and Packers. It's been a year for the Smokejumpers as well, but I didn't wear them at all last summer, and have really only been wearing them often the past two months. They don't seem dry at all, so I'll wait a little longer before I oil them again.

If your boots are getting soaked from melting snow and you have to wash salt off of them often, you may very well need to oil them once or twice a month. It depends on the conditions you wear them in.

Andy B.
post #3010 of 4778
Anyone have a semi dress in #8 CXL? Starting to think about this makeup and would love to see some pics
post #3011 of 4778
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Originally Posted by rydenfan View Post

Anyone have a semi dress in #8 CXL? Starting to think about this makeup and would love to see some pics

These are not mine, they are from somewhere a few months ago.  They look totally great to my mind!

 

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post #3012 of 4778

Yeah, done up like that they look like a much nicer Wolverine 1K boot. If I ever kill my brown 1Ks, I'll probably replace 'em with something just like that from White's :)

post #3013 of 4778

New boots:D:

 

post #3014 of 4778
Details man! Details!

Those look great!!
post #3015 of 4778

Specs:
Custom White's Smoke Jumper
Counter Leather Brown Smooth, Hardware Brass Eyes & Hooks, Celastic Toe Box No Thanks, Height 10", Last Standard, Steel Toe No Thanks, Upper (Shaft) Leather Brown Smooth, Toe Cap No Thanks, Toe Vamp Leather Brown Smooth, Top Cut Top (standard), Midsole Single, Leather Liner Cream, Size - Width D (medium), Lace Design Lace to Toe, Sole Vibram 700, Toe Cap Leather Color Does not apply, Edge Brown, Size - Length 10

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