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post #2791 of 4525
I have learned my lesson on buying clothing ordered online (often bespoke or MTO). Have too often (more than i care to admit smile.gif) purchased stuff, convinced myself that the fit was good; only to a week or so later decide that it was bad, then left to sell the item at a loss (both time and money). Frustrating as hell but on the other hand it's comes with the territory of an online environment.

Baker's has an excellent "Guarenteed Fit" program, and I paid careful attention when I got my boots not to step foot outside with them on. I followed the Mac Method, basically meaning wearing them for a couple hours indoors (eg carpeted), for a few times. Wearing at both the beginning and end of the day to account for swelling. In the end, and with Brandon and fellow SFers on this thread help (thx again for the input guys) I concluded I needed to size down. Hopefully the 9.5Ds will work out- I may regret not going with an E width- but I'm confident the length will be much better.
post #2792 of 4525
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Originally Posted by linafelt View Post

Wondering who you got to rebuild them for you... I may want to have some rebuilding done on a pair. Thanks.

 

 

White's did the rebuild.

post #2793 of 4525
These came in today after a 6 week wait. The wife is ecstatic over them. I think they turned out awesome...I really like the distressed brown leather. Sorry about the crappy cell pictures. Just to be sure, these are the wife's boots.





Edited by cwmi - 12/3/13 at 5:53pm
post #2794 of 4525
that's femkin awsome!
post #2795 of 4525

Is that a women's specific Last?  The shape (and the heel) look so feminine.

post #2796 of 4525
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Originally Posted by chiliinabowl View Post
 

Next the question. I am concerned they are too big, They feel good in some spots but generally feel a little squishy in the heel.

What are the build on these? Are they double or single mid-sole? The reason I bring it up is because despite all the talk on the forums, White's are not really a "custom" fit boot. You get matched up to a standard last size, and where necessary small adjustments are made within the standard system. The build is a system of standardised options (unless you really work with them on a one to one basis). A true custom fit would be individual to your foot, like many of the good riding boots are... i.e. no standard lasts. That's not a criticism but sometimes its better to cut through the fan boy hype.

 

So one of your issues could be, particularly if you have a thick sole/mid-sole configuration, that with any 'non-custom' boot you will get some heel slip when new. The thicker and stiffer the sole then the more slip you are likely to get. It is important to lace up the boots as tight as possible when new. You can leave the front of the instep comfortable but above the instep, so the ankle on upwards, should be pretty tight. This helps to minimise the slippage (assuming they are not way too big) and the boot will break in allowing the sole and mid-sole to shape to your foot and the way your foot moves, and then most or all of the slippage will disappear.

 

By the look of your photos the boots do seem to have quite a bit of length but try to figure out if the "squishy" feeling is the result of your foot slipping forward in the boot or if its purely lifting in the heel. Again, a truly custom fit would have an individual shape at the heel, otherwise the heel width and shape changes in proportion to the size of the last. So it may be that if the boot is the correct size (length) that you could still have issues if your heel has a particular shape which is just not working with the overall fit of the last.

 

Its impossible to say online and from photos how the boot fits, and people's experience with fit and break in will be so unique as to be almost useless. I feel for you though! I hate any movement in the heel of a boot and have had burned into my memory my two heels blistered beyond belief from once buying a pair of boots which were way too large and convincing myself it would be OK. Half a day later I couldn't walk!

 

I'd go with the advice above and work with Baker's or White's and try figure out a solution. Alternatively, various combinations of socks, insoles, heel pads, etc., might solve the problem. I'm not sure if this has been of any help... but good luck.

post #2797 of 4525
MhX8ndt

Got mine today! pretty much just like the retro/original brown dress single sole with the tan liner and close sole trim. Fits awesome!
 

post #2798 of 4525
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Originally Posted by ben2t View Post

that's femkin awsome!

 

Thanks !  It was tough trying to understand exactly what my wife was looking for and then relaying it to Kyle.  I was nervous how they would turn out and if she would like them.

 

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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post
 

Is that a women's specific Last?  The shape (and the heel) look so feminine.

 

I don't really know, it's their 795 last with a pointed toe.

 

 

Now seeing distressed brown in person, I think I want a pair of SD's in them.

post #2799 of 4525
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Originally Posted by cwmi View Post

My brown dress SD's finally made it out of the office. I wore them the majority of the time this past weekend in northern Michigan.


Being worn the way meant to be!
post #2800 of 4525
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Originally Posted by bornheim View Post
 

What are the build on these? Are they double or single mid-sole? The reason I bring it up is because despite all the talk on the forums, White's are not really a "custom" fit boot. You get matched up to a standard last size, and where necessary small adjustments are made within the standard system. The build is a system of standardised options (unless you really work with them on a one to one basis). A true custom fit would be individual to your foot, like many of the good riding boots are... i.e. no standard lasts. That's not a criticism but sometimes its better to cut through the fan boy hype.

 

So one of your issues could be, particularly if you have a thick sole/mid-sole configuration, that with any 'non-custom' boot you will get some heel slip when new. The thicker and stiffer the sole then the more slip you are likely to get. It is important to lace up the boots as tight as possible when new. You can leave the front of the instep comfortable but above the instep, so the ankle on upwards, should be pretty tight. This helps to minimise the slippage (assuming they are not way too big) and the boot will break in allowing the sole and mid-sole to shape to your foot and the way your foot moves, and then most or all of the slippage will disappear.

 

By the look of your photos the boots do seem to have quite a bit of length but try to figure out if the "squishy" feeling is the result of your foot slipping forward in the boot or if its purely lifting in the heel. Again, a truly custom fit would have an individual shape at the heel, otherwise the heel width and shape changes in proportion to the size of the last. So it may be that if the boot is the correct size (length) that you could still have issues if your heel has a particular shape which is just not working with the overall fit of the last.

 

Its impossible to say online and from photos how the boot fits, and people's experience with fit and break in will be so unique as to be almost useless. I feel for you though! I hate any movement in the heel of a boot and have had burned into my memory my two heels blistered beyond belief from once buying a pair of boots which were way too large and convincing myself it would be OK. Half a day later I couldn't walk!

 

I'd go with the advice above and work with Baker's or White's and try figure out a solution. Alternatively, various combinations of socks, insoles, heel pads, etc., might solve the problem. I'm not sure if this has been of any help... but good luck.


They are built with a single mid-sole. I agree with your "custom" fit comment and thoughts on heel slippage. That is why I just decided to go ahead and wear them in earnest as opposed to just walking around my house. I figured I really needed to break them in to see if they fit. Unfortunately this eliminates my option to return them so I might as well give it more time. As a comparison I tried on my 15 year old SLs (I don't wear them much anymore) and to my surprise they were pretty loose too. Now I'm wondering if they are both too big! I never questioned the SJs because they are big, heavy boots and I just accepted their clunkiness. According to White's the boots should fit snug from the arch to the heel but neither of mine do. I weigh about 50 lbs less than when I was originally fitted (sent in a tracing) for the SJs and I wonder if that could be a factor.

 

The SJs measure about 7/8" from toe to end of boot whereas the BHs are a full 1". Perhaps they will shorten as White's says but I suspect that is BS.


Edited by chiliinabowl - 12/4/13 at 10:58am
post #2801 of 4525

I'd email that picture to someone at white's and see what they say. I did that with a pic I took from inside the boot. Just call first and ask to talk to someone about your sizing issues, and tell them that you want to send them a picture. 

 

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Originally Posted by chiliinabowl View Post
 


They are built with a single mid-sole. I agree with your "custom" fit comment and thoughts on heel slippage. That is why I just decided to go ahead and wear them in earnest as opposed to just walking around my house. I figured I really needed to break them in to see if they fit. Unfortunately this eliminates my option to return them so I might as well give it more time. As a comparison I tried on my 15 year old SLs (I don't wear them much anymore) and to my surprise they were pretty loose too. Now I'm wondering if they are both too big! I never questioned the SJs because they are big, heavy boots and I just accepted their clunkiness. According to White's the boots should fit snug from the arch to the heel but neither of mine do. I weigh about 50 lbs less than when I was originally fitted (sent in a tracing) for the SJs and I wonder if that could be a factor.

 

The SJs measure about 7/8" from toe to end of boot whereas the BHs are a full 1". Perhaps they will shorten as White's says but I suspect that is BS.

post #2802 of 4525
I agree with Ricky that if you are still having fit concerns, you should call White's. If it can't be worked out with socks or an insole, you always have the option of sending them back and give as specific a description of the problem as you can. That happened with my Packers, and they ended up rebuilding them (I had to pay for it, but White's did give me a discount since the boots were still like new and almost all of the upper could be reused). You can go smaller in width, and have some leeway to adjust shorter or longer in length. I don't think it would be possible to go wider, which it doesn't sound like is your problem.

Andy B.
post #2803 of 4525
The Bounty Hunters took a pretty good beating while I was in NZ




A bit of TLC with some warm water, neutral shoe cream, and a horsehair brush:



And they're ready again for their next adventure!
post #2804 of 4525
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Originally Posted by PeterParker View Post

The Bounty Hunters took a pretty good beating while I was in NZ

A bit of TLC with some warm water, neutral shoe cream, and a horsehair brush:

And they're ready again for their next adventure!

 

Looking very good! I am brainstorming on some bounty hunters or something similar. What leather and height? Post up the specs if you can.

post #2805 of 4525

Lot of wear there but lot of life left - that's the beauty of those

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