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post #1966 of 4590

Question about Horsehide vs cowhide.

 

I really dig the pictures posted here of the brown horsehide. However, I've also noticed that horsehide seems to have pretty prominent wrinkling/creasing after they've broken in. Is this a characteristic typical of horsehide?

 

I'm looking for a dark-medium brown leather that will take a bit of a shine. I've gotten several samples from White's and had pretty much decided on the Brown CXL. However, I am concerned about how it will wear in the long term. I believe it darkens with age, right? While I like the dress brown, it is so dark it might as well be black.

 

Any ideas?

post #1967 of 4590

CXL isn't good if you're going to be rough on the boots or if you care about getting them dark.  It is a super comfortable leather with some great properties but it does darken pretty easily.

 

The dress brown actually seems to get lighter with time - maybe people on here have some pics of worn in dress brown... that might be your best bet

post #1968 of 4590
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Originally Posted by kenucklehead View Post

Question about Horsehide vs cowhide.

 

I really dig the pictures posted here of the brown horsehide. However, I've also noticed that horsehide seems to have pretty prominent wrinkling/creasing after they've broken in. Is this a characteristic typical of horsehide?

 

I'm looking for a dark-medium brown leather that will take a bit of a shine. I've gotten several samples from White's and had pretty much decided on the Brown CXL. However, I am concerned about how it will wear in the long term. I believe it darkens with age, right? While I like the dress brown, it is so dark it might as well be black.

 

Any ideas?


Kenucklehead -- I don't know if the wrinkling/creasing is characteristic of all horsehide, but there is some on my boots. I personally like the look as long as it does not become terribly pronounced over time. By comparison, the CXL becomes more and more creased and may eventually break through. I have never had that problem with any type of horsehide I have ever owned that is properly maintained. I have worn my boots quite a lot more now and have seen some additional creasing/wrinkling, but not much. I brush my boots (and other shoes) daily after wearing, and the horsehide keeps its beautiful, almost new, appearance day after day, unlike many other leathers. If I could go back and order any boots again, I would keep my order exactly the same. The horsehide SDs are probably the nicest pair of boots/shoes I have ever worn, and they are breaking in very well too. The comfort factor is high and increases every time I wear the boots; however, it may take months or even longer to reach the point of perfection where they are fully molded to my feet.

 

Scott -- I still want some Packers! You have any comments about the comfort of yours? I can't tell for sure -- which toe did you have, pointed or rounded?

 

I just wanted to mention that the Saddleback Leather Classic Briefcase in the background of some of my photos was the large size that looks fairly small next to my size 12.5 SDs (I normally wear size 13 in most footwear). Actually, I liked the size of the briefcase until I discovered it wouldn't hold my legal sized folders I need to carry. So, I sent it back and will be purchasing the XL size that is described by Saddleback as being made for "Pituitary Giant circus performers and men over 6' 5"." I'm only 6'1" and 190 pounds, but wearing my SDs with standard Cuban heel height I stand 6'3", so I'm not so far away from the height category. Besides, I carry briefcases that big all the time in my line of work, and it will look more normal with my circus performer sized shoes. smile.gif

 

Allan


Edited by Okal - 7/22/13 at 5:19pm
post #1969 of 4590

@tigerpac

 

I'm not worried about darkening. I just don't want black for the boots I'm thinking of. I did see a few older dress browns and thought they were black. I like the leather but just don't think it's the right one for my custom order. I do like a rich, medium dark brown and the leathers I've seen that are the closest are the Brown CXL and the Brown HH.

 

@Allan

 

Thanks for the input. There was a photo (can't seem to find it) of a pair of brown HH next to a brown satchel. The brown was so rich and beautiful. It was this photo that got me thinking of using HH. Was that your photo? Do you have any recent photos to share?

post #1970 of 4590

Hey daizawaguy, how are your Navy CXL Semi-Dress boots holding up? The boots I ordered are inspired in part by your boots and I’m really curious about how the navy CXL looks after a little use. Mind posting a picture of how they are ageing?biggrin.gif

 

Thanks

post #1971 of 4590

Thanks for the sample leather pics. I saw the ones on East West Apparel's website as well. I was hoping to locate a full boot made in either of those leathers. But partial use is quite good. I am liking oil tan over Brown Smooth so far.

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Originally Posted by andy b. View Post

I don't have any side-by-side photos, and I don't own anything in Brown Oil Tan, but my SJs are Brown Smooth and black roughout, and unless you're in bright light, the Brown Smooth is very dark, almost black. There are a few pics of my SJs back a few pages in this thread. In fact, when I received them I thought there was a mistake and they were built in all black leather. I think if you had a pair of boots in all Brown Smooth that most people would think they were black. Most of the online photos I see don't make the Brown Smooth look that dark because they have a lot of lighting.

Granted, leather color can vary a bit from lot to lot.

Andy B.

Are you sure that isn't Brown Dress which is nearly Black. Brown Smooth or Brown Oil tan are different which are the pictures I am after.
post #1972 of 4590
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Originally Posted by kenucklehead View Post

@tigerpac

 

I'm not worried about darkening. I just don't want black for the boots I'm thinking of. I did see a few older dress browns and thought they were black. I like the leather but just don't think it's the right one for my custom order. I do like a rich, medium dark brown and the leathers I've seen that are the closest are the Brown CXL and the Brown HH.

 

@Allan

 

Thanks for the input. There was a photo (can't seem to find it) of a pair of brown HH next to a brown satchel. The brown was so rich and beautiful. It was this photo that got me thinking of using HH. Was that your photo? Do you have any recent photos to share?

 

Kenucklehead -- Yes, those were my photos of the HH SDs and the Saddleback Classic Briefcase. I don't have any more recent photos of the boots at this point, but I can tell you they don't look much different. I'll try to get some more photos posted anyway so you can see. You cannot go wrong with the HH. I have seen many of the leathers that White's uses, since we have a dealer here in town where I live who has dozens of White's boots in stock, none of which are in my size. It is nice to be able to compare leathers and boot styles. There is no other leather White's typically uses that looks as nice as HH, at least in my opinion. If they offered that choice of leather in any other White's boot style, I would probably buy it.

 

Allan

post #1973 of 4590

Are you saying the HH is only available for SD boots? I was looking at getting Bounty Hunters.

post #1974 of 4590
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Originally Posted by palma View Post


Are you sure that isn't Brown Dress which is nearly Black. Brown Smooth or Brown Oil tan are different which are the pictures I am after.

Positive. My SJs are Black Roughout (black smooth reversed with the rough side out) , and Brown Smooth. Here is the order acknowledgement:

Products on order:
1 x White's Smoke Jumper Standard Last - $454.95
SKU: 400
Leather 1: Brown Smooth
Leather 2: Black Rough Out
Toe Vamp Leather: Black Rough Out
Toe Cap Leather: None
Celastic Toe Box: Single
Steel Toe: No
Heel Counter Leather: Black Rough Out
Height: 10"
Upper (Shaft) Leather : Brown Smooth
Leather Liner: No Thanks
Sole Trim: Standard Trim
Top: Cut
Back Stay Leather: Black Rough Out
Pull Loop: Yes
Eyelet Color: Brass
Eyelet Configuration : Hook and Eyelet
Top Garment: Eyelet
Lace Design: Lace to Toe
Lace: Leather
False Tongue: None
Sole: Vib 100
Half Slip: No
Heel Shape: Curve
Heel Height: Standard
Last: 461 Classic Last
Midsole: Double
Midsole/Edge Color: Brown
Size - Length: 9.5
Size - Width: E


I have only had these since the beginning of the year, and I haven't worn them in the summer, so I can't say if the leather will lighten over time, but so far the Brown Smooth is very dark in person. Much darker than I was expecting. In fact, it is one of the reasons I am thinking of getting another pair in distressed brown or horse hide because I want something lighter in color.

Andy B.
post #1975 of 4590
I believe the horsehide is a Baker's exclusive that is only offered in the Semi-dress boots. You can call or email to confirm that.

Allan
post #1976 of 4590
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Originally Posted by Okal View Post

I believe the horsehide is a Baker's exclusive that is only offered in the Semi-dress boots. You can call or email to confirm that.

Allan


What is the difference between horsehide and cordovan leather?  Is it nearly the same quality as Alden Cordovan?  

post #1977 of 4590

cordovan is a horse's butt that has been dyed and tanned for a long long time in a certain way by horween.

post #1978 of 4590

@ Everyone,

 

At some point in time every boot owner will have to clean their boots. I try to wait as long as possible to clean mine with an actual leather cleaner, in part because I have had VERY bad luck with numerous cleaning products (including Lexol Leather Cleaner). On my most precious pairs I refuse to use such products, and use conditioning/cleaning products like Bick 4 Conditioner. With that said, what products does everyone use AND how do they apply it? (Please let me know if you do use Lexol, and if so what is your method?)

 

Jack

post #1979 of 4590
I have had good results with fiebings saddle soap lately, warm water and a soft brush works up a nice lather then wipe off dirt and soap with a damp cloth. I let them dry for 24 hours then apply obenaufs hd and let that soak in overnight. Brush the next day with a horsehair brush and I'm done. On dress boots that don't get that dirty I'll use saphir renovator applied with a soft cotton cloth, this cleans really well, then brush once dry, apply a good creme polish and if I want them really shiny apply a wax after that
post #1980 of 4590
I never use saddle soap because it dries leather out too much.
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