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Originally Posted by AT83 View Post


What was the process for determining that you needed a custom last. Did they get that from your tracing and measurements? I sent tracings to bakers and they said I should be a 10D, and they shipped me an in stock pair of 10D that were not the right fit, too big. I have been toying with the idea of flying to whites to get fitted in person. I also have a narrow heel and regular width ball, but combined with a low instep and half size different feet.

If you can get to Whites, I strongly recommend it. I wasted two boots in two wrong sizes even though I followed the instructions and sent them to Whites. They always err on the side of caution, figuring out that a thicker sock will solve the problem of a big boot, but a tight boot is dead end. Frankly, nothing more frustrating and a waste of money with a wrong size boot. Get it right first time. You`ll have a fun and memorable trip to Whites, and I`m sure they are great folks. Tracing is hot and miss.

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I took a trip to Whites anticipating some kind of spiritual pilgrimage, but was totally disappointed. The salesman was a jerkoff, and I'm pretty sure I knew more about their product line than he did.
Edited by b-ewing - 6/15/13 at 12:18pm
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I wish Otto White was still alive, meeting him would be a spiritual pilgrimage...

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Originally Posted by Junior Tan View Post

Ahh i see. Went to look at buildaboot website and just noticed there is semi dress last option for the smoke jumper and coupled with few other options such as #38, 461 classic, standard. What are the difference?

If you use google image search you should be able to see a few of the different lasts. baker's boots does have the various models but the pictures aren't always the best. the #38 is the swing last which has a wider toe box and slight upturn toe, the 461 classic is the more upturned toe but less round then the 38 and the standard is what you see on most semi-dress
Originally Posted by Okal View Post

Sleepy -- Post a picture after the Obennauf treatment. I bet your BHs look great then too. It's hard to believe they have led such a hard life and still look so good, unlike me. :-)


I'll try to get pics of them this weekend, the oils from steel manufacturing, the metal shavings, bumping up against sharp metal, and resting sheets of metal on my boots has taken a toll but they are indeed quite stout boots.
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Here's a picture of my three month old SD in dress brown leather. You can see the area that "peeled" back and had to be glued after a light scrape against something when they were less then a week old. I've read how tough this leather is and was wondering if the dress brown is more prone to this then other "softer" leathers or maybe the leather needed to relax as they were so new. I haven't seen mention of this so I thought I'd share. 

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My 2 year old White's Classic Work Boot.

Before LP





After LP:





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 Hey fellow USN'r !

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Those are some fine boots you'v got there Climbinglife!

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Has anyone ordered the Original White semi dress boots?  I'm thinking of ordering them, but I'm worried about the versatility of the color its seems really purple and I don't know if it would work with my wardrobe.

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Originally Posted by cwmi View Post


 Hey fellow USN'r !

What up homie!

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Originally Posted by 4characters View Post

Those are some fine boots you'v got there Climbinglife!

Thanks bro :)

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AT83 -- I first made a tracing of my foot and took measurements. I then called Baker's and talked to Andrew who decided I would probably need something close to a 12.5 D. I ordered my boots at that time, and Andrew arranged to send me a pair of 12.5 D Smokejumpers to check the fit. The Smokejumpers arrived, and I tried them on. They seemed to fit okay in the ball but were far too wide in the heel. The boots had the soft toes, so I could check for spacing around my toes and measure accurately for length. I then took pictures with my foot and ankle flexed in the boot and the laces tied tightly to show how much extra material there was in various places around my foot and ankle. I then called Andrew and emailed him the pictures so we could look at them together and discuss the fitting problems. Andrew asked me to retrace my feet while seated with my ankles flexed slightly forward then take measurements of my feet, ankles and the tracings of my feet, all while we were on the phone. I then emailed all the tracings and measurements to Andrew, so he had those along with the pictures and our conversations. I called back several days later and talked with Kyle Baker, who was also very helpful. He looked at all the information I had emailed and sent it on to White's. He also extensively talked about my feet and the fitting while he looked at my information. He called White's on another line while I was still on the phone and got their recommendation too after going over everything with them. In the end, the people at both Baker's and White's all agreed I needed a 12.5 length with a C width ball and a B width heel, and that a special custom last would need to be built to accommodate my unique feet. There was an up-charge for the custom last that I gladly agreed to pay. I sure hope the boots fit, but if they don't, it's not for lack of everyone doing his best to get the correct fit! Of course, the Smokejumpers were returned to Baker's after they did their job of assisting in determining the proper size for me. I have two pairs of custom Russell boots. The second pair was built with a narrower heel than ball width, like the White's will be, and it fit much better than the first pair. I also had a pair of custom Arrow Moccasins built with the narrower heel, and they fit very well too. So I'm sure we are on the right track with the White's too. I don't think you need to go to the White's factory to be fitted if you go through the same process I did with Baker's, but a trip to the factory would be nice if you are in the area. BTW, I have a low instep too, but my feet are almost exact mirror images, so no difference is needed between boots, something that would make custom boots a great thing for someone with different sized feet like yours, especially if you were paying for custom lasts anyway. The reason Baker's sends out the boots to try on is to adjust the sizing based on how the most likely sized boots fit on your feet. Not quite as good as trying on lots of shoes in a shoe store, but still the same idea. It's a nice service Baker's provides to help assure a foot fit in the boots you order.

Rok -- Sorry about that cut. I've had that happen before and hated it. I think it was more bad fortune than a problem with the leather, but what do I know? I don't think the oiled leather would have been as fragile.

Climbing -- Love those boots. They look almost perfect after two years. Better than new, even.

Edited by Okal - 6/17/13 at 6:48pm
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Thank you for your reply. I didn't get anywhere near that level of detail after trying on the whites that bakers shipped. I was very concerned about how they fit in the heel as my feet were swimming in them and not even touching the back until they lifted mid step up that rear curve. The response was to just order a swing last in a c width and they would break in, which I didn't think sounded right. I am hopefully getting a pair of Allen Edmonds made, should find out this week, and they would fulfill my boot needs for the time being. If the AE's fall through I may pursue the whites further, including a possible trip to Spokane. Thank you again for responding. I really hope you get some great boots that fit you perfectly.
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I'm glad I got great service in custom fitting my SDs, and sorry you got something less. The advice you got on the swing last may very well be correct because that was initially what I intended to do until pursuaded otherwise by the folks at White's. At least the people I spoke with there did not seem as enamoured with the swing last. I will let you know how my boots end up fitting. Hopefully, VERY WELL, since the process has been time consuming and expensive and will only be worthwhile if I really like the boots and get an outstanding fit that is comfortable for all-day wear. If this works for me, then it ought to work well for you too, because we both seem to have similar feet, other than the symmetry of mine versus yours. I should have my HH boots within the next couple of weeks, so if you decide to wait on the Allen Edmonds, I may have some experience with the White's on my feet before long. I hope they are great and fit me perfectly too. I will know soon.

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