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post #1531 of 5430

That's awesome, I haven't even received my SD's and I'm already planning my next White's purchase. I am curious, why do you prefer shark over bullhide?

post #1532 of 5430
When I talked to the custom order guy at White's about leather, he told me I ought to just get some SDs in bullhide and have a good-looking, tough, durable pair of boots. I'm not convinced he was wrong, but I decided the horsehide was more the look I was going for in my first pair of SDs. If I get some Packers, they will probably be either smooth oil leather or bullhide, both of which seem to be good options for boots that may be subjected to rough conditions. Two different textures, so that will be one of the biggest choices. I could always do a combination of the two.

Thanks for the information on the Packers, Andy. I know my cowboy boots have to be snug for the same reasons you mentioned. I'll definitely be wearing my SDs for some time after I get them before jumping into a second pair. The first pair will be my guide to sizing, since both White's and Baker's will have a good idea of how to fit me after I have worn the SDs awhile and know where any problems may be. I've never had horsehide from any area other than the butt; however, I have worn cordovan shoes off and on throughout my entire life and love them, other than the fact they don't breathe as well. I think the horsehide will be darn near perfect for what I'm looking for in a boot that will breathe pretty well, hold up under some strenuous conditions, and still look good enough to wear with slacks as well as jeans.

Allan
post #1533 of 5430
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Originally Posted by the shivman View Post

That's awesome, I haven't even received my SD's and I'm already planning my next White's purchase. I am curious, why do you prefer shark over bullhide?

My thought would be to use the Shark on the toe cap only. My thinking is that it won't show scuffs as easily, plus it looks cool. I could be way off on my assumption of it being more scuff resistant.
I've got several hobbies but at the moment I've gotten completely consumed with this footwear. I'm not an overly stylish person, sure I've always enjoyed footwear but never at this level.
post #1534 of 5430
In terms of durability, (i.e. scuff and scratch resistance) it is important to look at the relative density/thickness vs pores in a given area of hide. Many people say that elephant would be the most "durable" hide; however, this is contingent solely upon thickness. While elephant hide may be thicker, its abrasion resistance is obviously a result of the aforementioned detail. With every type of hide on an even "thickness" keel, kangaroo and horsehide have to be at the very top of the list... Greater pore count per square inch, relative to thickness/density. Food for thought.
post #1535 of 5430

Jack,

 

You have the horsehide boots, so what has been your experience with them as far as abrasion resistance and durability under harsher conditions, assuming yours have been subjected to that sort of environment? I know my various cordovan shoes always did pretty well, but they were city shoes, not work-style boots, so they didn't see the rigors of use my boots will endure.

 

Allan

post #1536 of 5430
Okal,

The horsehide has truly surpassed my expectations. I tend to be extremely hard on boots, often completely wearing them out within six months. My horsehides have been completely soaked for hours on end, covered in mud, and really roughed up. In fact, after being completely saturated repeatedly, they don't even have water stains. All this and no permanent damage what so ever. If you keep them moisturized with a quality conditioner, they'll respond beautifully. With that said, no leather is abrasion proof and HH is no exception. In general when they do get beaten up, the scratch or scuff is less deep and less noticeable/significant, compared to other leathers. This has been my experience with HH, and especially with my White's. Their particular hides are the highest quality HH I have seen on the market, bar none. For this reason I have multiple pairs, and will never be without... hopefully. HH boots are fairly rare, and future availability is in my opinion, dubious.

Regards,

Jack
post #1537 of 5430
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Originally Posted by Jack Hazer View Post

In terms of durability, (i.e. scuff and scratch resistance) it is important to look at the relative density/thickness vs pores in a given area of hide. Many people say that elephant would be the most "durable" hide; however, this is contingent solely upon thickness. While elephant hide may be thicker, its abrasion resistance is obviously a result of the aforementioned detail. With every type of hide on an even "thickness" keel, kangaroo and horsehide have to be at the very top of the list... Greater pore count per square inch, relative to thickness/density. Food for thought.

 

Thanks for the info Jack.  I'm fairly new to the different types of hides and their qualities. 

post #1538 of 5430

Does anyone have Kyle's email address or should I just contact Baker's ?


Edited by cwmi - 5/13/13 at 6:49am
post #1539 of 5430
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Originally Posted by cwmi View Post

Does anyone have Kyle's email address or should I just contact Baker's ?

Kyle normally responds to order inquiries; email to:

orders@bakershoe.com
post #1540 of 5430
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Originally Posted by Jack Hazer View Post


Kyle normally responds to order inquiries; email to:

orders@bakershoe.com

Thanks !

post #1541 of 5430
I love my SDs, but I really wanted something with more ankle support. I ride my motorcycle to work everyday, and for me the SD just isn't substantial enough. The boots I typically wear are purpose built motorcycle boots. They are ugly and uncomfortable and I change into sneakers when I get to work.

But I figured some SJs would be the perfect boot to provide riding protection and all day comfort.

I read all 100+ pages. I debated chromexcel. I debated 8" vs 10". I debated Vibram 100 vs 430. Finally I came up with:
8" Lace to toe with false tongue
461 last
All distressed smooth leather
No liner
Cut top
Nickel hook and eyelet with and eyelet on top
Natural edge
Standard height cuban heel
Single midsole
Vibram 100 sole

I didn't even ask what the build time is. I almost don't want to know. But I will post pics when I get theses beasts!
post #1542 of 5430
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Originally Posted by univibe88 View Post

I love my SDs, but I really wanted something with more ankle support. I ride my motorcycle to work everyday, and for me the SD just isn't substantial enough. The boots I typically wear are purpose built motorcycle boots. They are ugly and uncomfortable and I change into sneakers when I get to work.

But I figured some SJs would be the perfect boot to provide riding protection and all day comfort.

I read all 100+ pages. I debated chromexcel. I debated 8" vs 10". I debated Vibram 100 vs 430. Finally I came up with:
8" Lace to toe with false tongue
461 last
All distressed smooth leather
No liner
Cut top
Nickel hook and eyelet with and eyelet on top
Natural edge
Standard height cuban heel
Single midsole
Vibram 100 sole

I didn't even ask what the build time is. I almost don't want to know. But I will post pics when I get theses beasts!

 

 Sounds like a great build.  I with you, I really don't care how long they take.  I'm at least a month or so away from ordering, I'm sure I'll change my mind on the build several times by then and after ordered they get done when they get done.

post #1543 of 5430

Wouldn't engineer boots be better for riding since they don't have laces?

post #1544 of 5430
Oh boy, this could go down a rat hole. But I am happy to entertain the subject. I will say this first - riding gear is highly personal and subjective. Anything that I say is my opinion what I find works for me.

Despite engineer boots reputation as motorcycle boots, I find them to be horrible riding boots. They are prone to slip off in an accident and don't have very good ankle support. I have rolled my ankle while riding with them because of lack of support.

I agree with you that the laces aren't ideal, but SJs will provide much better ankle support and when laced up tight won't be going anywhere in an accident.

Most purpose built riding boots have latches. They are secure, don't come unlaced and offer great support. But they are ugly and often uncomfortable for wearing around off the bike. I'll still wear my proper latching boots most of the time. But for commuting, sturdy lace up SJs that I can wear wall day are a good compromise for me.
post #1545 of 5430
After that review of your horse hide SDs, Jack, I am thrilled with my decision to order some. Now I understand why you decided to order a second pair. That is something I will consider too. I'll have to see how my first pair fits, feels and looks, but if I like them as much as you do, I will get a second pair, although probably in the black HH and maybe in a somewhat different configuration. Then I'll look at getting some Packers and maybe some SJs. I'm pretty excited about the prospect of the Packers also since that is a boot I can wear for western dress and as a work boot.

Allan
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