Originally Posted by Okal
Love those boots of yours, Andy! What is your "normal" shoe length/width, and why do you think you wear a much narrower width in the Packer, other than the sock thickness?
Thanks! To answer your question, it depends.
Big help, huh.
In normal Red Wings I take a 9.5 D. I have a pair of Iron Rangers and several pairs of work boots over the years, and that seems to fit. I normally wear them with medium-weight wool socks.
In athletic shoes I take a 10 (I never found any various widths of athletic shoes). I wear them with your standard white athletic socks.
In Allen Edmonds I take a 9.5 C in the 5 last, which is AE's longest last. In the other lasts I take a 9.5 D or 10 C. My big toe seems to point more straight forward than most people, so I need a wider width or longer length to not make my big toe feel like it is being squeezed towards the rest of the toes. I wear them with dress socks, or socks about the same weight as white athletic socks.
For the White's, the first pair I ordered were the Packers. I ordered direct from White's and sent in foot tracings and measurements. I did the tracings with medium-weight wool socks. I wanted the Packers because I love cowboy boots, but hate trying to fight my way into a pair, plus I live in PA, not TX.
I also wanted them to wear to work and with jeans and casual dress outfits, so I didn't plan on wearing heavy wool socks with them. The initial pair was 9C and the length was okay, but they squeezed my big toe. I figured they would stretch some, so I wore them off and on for a year. Let me just say, they may stretch a little to match how your foot bends as you wear them, but they will definitely not stretch enough to make a poorly-fitting pair start to fit. After calling White's and discussing the issue, I sent the boots back and with all praise to White's, they agreed to basically rebuild the boot to fit me and only charged me the resole fee. I found this to be excellent customer service, and is one of the reasons I purchased two additional pairs (so far) of White's boots. White's could have told me too bad, you wore them, they're yours now. Anyway, the White's guys said a 10B would keep the general width of the boot the same, but lengthen the toe area to give my toes more room. The fact the Packers have the pointed thoroughbred toe was part of the reason for the fitting issues, but the pointed toe was the whole reason I bought the Packers. After I received the boots back and wore them a few days I called White's and told them their craftsmen are boot fitting experts because now the boots fit me like a glove.
The Bounty Hunters and Smoke Jumpers I bought through Kyle at Baker's. I wear the BH kind of how I wear the Packers, with jeans and casual dress clothes. Living and working in eastern PA, we see lots of slop in the winter, and the BH get worn at least once per week from about October through April, and at least once a month the rest of the year. I wanted to be able to wear them with light to medium winter socks, and Kyle suggested that the different toe shape as well as D width would work, and they fit perfect. The finish has developed a shine over the years, but it is just from the Obenauf's and a horsehair brush, never any polish.
As an aside, I originally wanted the BH in lace-to-toe design. Kyle said the Semi-Dress last isn't designed to work with LTT, so a BH in LTT is just a plain old SJ in 6" height. Since I wanted a BH, and not a short SJ, I went with the standard toe. Of course, this meant that I was already planning on a SJ order in the future because, well, if you're going to have a few pairs of White's laying around, you need at least one pair in LTT.
Then after reading this thread over the years, back around Christmas I decided it was finally time to order up those Smoke Jumpers. Again, I talked to Kyle and told him I wanted a pair for actual work, and they would need to be used with heavy wool socks in the winter. I also wanted a double leather midsole, and the 461 (turned-up toe) last. Kyle said the thick soles would take longer to break in, and I explained that was why I wanted the 461 last to kind of give them a head start on the break-in. Kyle suggested a 9.5 E, and that is what I went with. The boots have fit me perfect right out of the box, and yes, the soles are fairly stiff, but extremely comfortable.
So that's how I ended up with what I have in the sizes I do. If I tried to wear the SJ with light socks, my feet would be swimming in them. If I tried to wear heavy wool socks with the Packers, my foot wouldn't even fit in the boot (I have tried
And yes, I plan another. I want something in a medium brown, but I'm not sure which style or configuration yet.