1. What you see going on around you. Well whomever you see isn't real bright. Deca is cited due to the potential benefits also not just the risks. If you are going to do this you want results also.
-These guys arent bright because they started to develop gyno from low doses of Deca??? Yes I agree, Deca is cited as probably the safest AAS. What you see on paper doesn't always transfer to real life.
*** If you are getting gyno at low dosages of Deca and you are using Nolvadex, you should discontinue if the gyno socially unacceptable or becoming abnormally progressive.
2. Again, under a 'docs' supervision I stated socially would never be.
-Least we agree on that.
3. Any user who has even the slightly bit of knowledge uses clomid, nolvadex, HCG-, Fertodor (cyclofenil)-off cycle, stilbesterol derivates. If you get gyno from deca you're an idiot and shouldn't be 'abusing' anyway.
-Again, this arguement makes no sense. I state that a Low dosage was used and you counter with "Abuse". A few posts back you stated that effects of these drugs vary from person to person. The same holds true for antiestrogens and antiprogesterones. I've never had to take anything more than nolvadex if I started to get itchy nips or felt small lumps developing. Other guys only respond to armidex. HCG does nothing for me. Sometimes theres some trial and error involved with these drugs. Surely there are plenty of idiots using but that cant be decided based on your comments.
***This argurment makes total sense based on what you stated. You stated abnormal gyno as a regular occurence but never made any mention of the use of Nolvadex.
*** I did state side effects vary but you would be an idiot to not take nolvadex if you are getting gyno.
*** HCG is to maintain your testicular function or to kick it back in although with deca used properly I don't see much of a case for its use. It works. Your last sentence makes no sense. a
'Deca Dick' please, and this has what to do with what argument?. It's called Viagra.
-LOL I didnt coin the term buddy, and Yes, viagara does work in this case but you are arguing then agreeing that such as side effect is possible. Why would they need Viagra if ED wasn't a possible side? My point is that everyone who knows jack about AAS says "Deca, Deca, Deca is the safest drug; if I ever did a cycle it'd be Deca" As I said earlier, EQ and andriol are much safer options that provide gains equal to or better than Deca.
*** I am well aware you haven't came up with the term, buddy.LOL
The side effect is always possible but easily treatable. Trying to saying EQ is safer than deca? Base on what? Your experience or a head to head study. Had you been using prior, do you have predispositions, what was your health at this time, were you comparing both drugs soley while using none other, were you using poly pharmacy.......personal experience is very poor man's science (in fact it's not science, it's very inaccurate at best especially to give advice on)
Deca doesn't not alter your test levels enough to affect sexual drive to cause impotence; it's something else. You have no data other than yea, my gym buddy says so and I've seen lots of guys say's Deca makes them ED. I've seen guys do alot of dumb stuff because of this street MD shit. It's a vascular event for the most part.
This one I do have personal experience on. At the time I was bridging between two cycles and was only on 400 mg deca. This was the only time ( and the last time) i ran deca w/o testosterone. My data is not from "my gym buddy". I dont wish to get into it on a clothing forum but my experience with AAS use and education is rather extensive. May I ask where you get your information from???
*** Your street experience again is not even remote valid science and you were you using polypharmcy. It's very inaccurate and unscientific. You have no data to be evaluated. Even studies can be debated, but your personal experience is not something to be advising other with. Please stop doing this, this is where hersay and bs start to become bad advice.
4. I would agree, 99% -pure estimate buy I know alot of physicians0alot- of physicians hanven't a clue, but think they do. I doubt most even know what the difference between deca and anadrol is. The only cases they see are trainwrecks where some idiot took anadrol 50 for like 6 months etc or something equally stupid and along with the media it reinforces their bad steroid mentality.
-Oxymethalone, i believe, is used in the medical community for extended periods of time. Don't quote me though. I'll check and get back to you with some research that you can sink your teeth into.
---And your point?
-I'm really not trying to be a dick. In the beginning of this thread our posts were in agreement. I feel as though I'm reasonably educated on this matter and you are countering my experience with outdated literature and no firsthand knowledge.
*** I feel as if you are arguing very mute points and just because you cycled various cycles and your personal experience doesn't give you any basis to be advising people. Use studies and full disclosure of your poly pharmacy before saying things like deca casues this because I used while also using this, after this length etc. Outdated literature? Dude you have NO LITERATURE, you are basing arguments on ABUSE. I'm talking about only using one drug, by a physicians (which you can legally) to optimize your performance, and even health potentially while reducing risks. ***YOU are talking about abuse, performance enhancement at a body builder level. BIG/Huge difference.
I think we should agree to disagree and let sleeping dogs lie.
If you ever decide to do a cycle of Deca, make sure you have plenty of Anti-e's, p's and viagara on hand as well as some clomid to get yur nuts back in order. You'll thank Mrrogers later.
Peace my friend.