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post #6736 of 54803
ems kicks the shit out of USPS. as requested. shitty rushed pic. my b.
post #6737 of 54803
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Originally Posted by CharlieAngel View Post
Actually, no. A good set of leathers will take quite a bit of abuse/damage before you have to throw them out, and most are repairable. It really depends on the type of accident, but leathers are one of those things I wouldn't expect to replace every crash, unlike the helmet. If you had to replace a set of leathers after every crash, I shudder to think what the weekend track guys would have to do for money... And I've got buddies with jackets with tons of road rash, but are still ready for more.


Not true at all.

The point is, ToJ jackets look great, but if I wanted a jacket with "protection" first in mind, I'd have to go with a Schott, Vanson, Langlitz, Bates Leathers, etc. However, none of those guys produce jackets that look as good, IMO, as ToJ and since I'm already riding in sneakers and denim, well, it's a risk assessment kind of thing. I like ToJ jackets, but motorcycle gear they are most likely not (I haven't handled one in real life, so I can't make an objective assessment).

I think I was the guy who crashed, unless there was someone else. Lowside on smooth concrete at around 35km/hr or something similar. Fucking scooter delivery boys, etc. Twisted on the way down and mostly slid along my upper torso.

When I said it was damaged beyond repair, I meant there wasn't anything you could do to it to make it wearable as a fashion/clothing piece again. No amount of buffing or treatment is going to smooth out road rash. I didn't mean that it came apart at the seams or anything like that.

I got a chance to see how the stitching (which people underestimate when looking at protective gear) looks afterward, and while it's obviously not reinforced for protection it's solid work. I think the calf thickness Drew uses is also about on par with some of the Schott pieces, but to be honest I vastly prefer synthetics in riding gear and don't have much purpose-built leather experience.

This was the 2.3 DR though, so heavy-duty calf. Not the suede stuff in the new minimalists which I think is split and bonded? Drew can correct me; I don't own one.

Don't be an idiot. Wear real gear. A ToJ is not real gear. TBH neither is a Schott, which is mostly a retarded marketing gimmick for cruiser bikers who wear denim and bandannas. And I have nothing against that; I still ride in (reinforced) denim most of the time because I am young and male and stupid, but you should be aware of what you're doing without any delusions of ignorance.

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i think hot dog was trying to figure out if a toj would be suitable to protect from stones/pebbles while riding (not falling)... a thick horse/calf is more than enough i suspect.

What the fuck. You dress for the crash, not the ride. What percent of crashes do you think are planned for?

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we're actually working on a more true motorcycle jacket with new-age pads inside it (classic TOJ Moto outside look) for my friend (I talked about this months ago but it's being made finally) but that is a matter of it having more crash protection than a non-padded jacket while maintaining a (somewhat bulkier) TOJ look. I expect it to suffer from rash if it goes down, that is what I am talking about. You can't expect to abrade leather like that and not scar the finish.

Is this going to be a public offering or is it the one-off custom project you mentioned?
post #6738 of 54803
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post
actually wj- I'm gonna be back at the airport on Wednesday about 2pm - you at work then?
Dude, I have Wednes and Thurs off this week due to some big gathering at the unit. Folks from different units flew in and all.

I thought you were going to roll in with Korea Air.

United has the wackest planes out there, along with Delta. I can't believe their 747s are still using projector with no individual TV units. That was the kind of planes I flew in the early 1990s.

What gate by the way? Since it's united I'm assuming it has to be terminal 6. Or are you going with a different airline?
post #6739 of 54803
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post
CharlieAngel - we're actually working on a more true motorcycle jacket with new-age pads inside it (classic TOJ Moto outside look) for my friend (I talked about this months ago but it's being made finally) but that is a matter of it having more crash protection than a non-padded jacket while maintaining a (somewhat bulkier) TOJ look. I expect it to suffer from rash if it goes down, that is what I am talking about. You can't expect to abrade leather like that and not scar the finish.
Just rash? Fuck, that's pretty awesome. I actually *like* my shit a little beat up (all my sneakers and boots have shifter scrapes/tears/scuffs and I like em that way). Your jackets look great, and I bet they look even better with a few years of hard wear. I'd not let abrasions keep me from wearing them. Hell, I'm covered in scars; they build character and chicks dig em. The way the other poster described, I had this horrifying image of that paper thin leather (leather veneer? is there such a thing?) that some designers (and all the cheap shit) use that would literally rip to pieces if you stared at it hard enough. I'd also be interested in a more motorcycle "appropriate" jacket if you came out with one. I'm hoping to be able to commission something from some one some time after my band comes back from tour in August/September/Octoberish.
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When I said it was damaged beyond repair, I meant there wasn't anything you could do to it to make it wearable as a fashion/clothing piece again. No amount of buffing or treatment is going to smooth out road rash. I didn't mean that it came apart at the seams or anything like that.
That is insanely great to hear. I'd rather get 2 ToJs for the price of 1.25 Langlitzes. And yes, I plan to pick up an actual "jacket" soon, but goddamn it seems like everyone wants to put their name all over their shit. I was looking at a decent little Icon jacket today and realized I couldn't just seam rip their fucking logo off the chest.
post #6740 of 54803
No Icon jackets are decent. Pure squid.
post #6741 of 54803
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Originally Posted by modalsaliency View Post
No Icon jackets are decent. Pure squid.

Next thing you're gonna tell me is my HJC helmet is no better than a beanie!!!
post #6742 of 54803
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Originally Posted by scott.m View Post
Jesus fucking christ. This thing is bad ass. Drew, you'll be seeing a deal of business from me soon I suspect. This is fucking insane.

True dat.

Sometimes I wear my ToJ around the house for kicks and my wife just rolls her eyes at me.
post #6743 of 54803
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Originally Posted by CharlieAngel View Post
Next thing you're gonna tell me is my HJC helmet is no better than a beanie!!!

I think HJC gets a bad rap, actually. They're made here in Korea and are kind of seen as the lowest denominator, but they're pretty solid despite the whole made in asia connotation. To be honest, I think it's more a case of stuff like Shoei/Arai being overpriced rather than anything less costly being shoddy.

But, yeah. This thread is for dead animal skin. End derail.
post #6744 of 54803
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Originally Posted by scott.m View Post
ems kicks the shit out of USPS.



as requested.

shitty rushed pic. my b.

looks great, better than I expected. looking forward to better fit pics. did you get it shortened?
post #6745 of 54803
I ordered the Moto in the sample sale and it came in today, but it feels too tight on me
Can I get some opinions?



post #6746 of 54803
Body looks snug but ok, arms look pretty tight, shoulder is actually a bit too wide for you. It's not a bad fit, as long as it's not uncomfortable.
post #6747 of 54803
That actually fits pretty well, looks perfect unzipped. Might want to lose a bit of the gut though if it feels uncomfortably tight zipped up.
post #6748 of 54803
It's a bomber. It doesn't need to fit like a moto. I mean maybe an inch, because he's at 50-50 top-bottom proportions there, but I dunno, it's not that far off.
post #6749 of 54803
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That actually fits pretty well, looks perfect unzipped. Might want to lose a bit of the gut though if it feels uncomfortably tight zipped up.

Yeah working on the gut haha, lost 60 lbs in the past year. I guess I have a little more motivation to lose 10 more.
post #6750 of 54803
I'm aware it's a little long but it's a leather, I'm only gonna wear it in fw and to run groceries, I prefer dressing in a blazer more than a leather but it is sick for sure, can't wait.
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