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Originally Posted by MickeyPunch View Post

I went this morning to my bank to update my address and they have made me "premium", which includes having access to the "premium banking team". I guess it's just a stupid thing to make poor souls like me feel better about themselves but I wonder if I should bring up this again? I tried to file a chargeback a while ago online but it was declined because the payment was too long ago.

This thing still hurts.

Honestly, there is no harm in trying. If I were you, I'd at least give them a call. Good Luck.

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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

It's moot anyway since you can't copyright design.

https://www.ted.com/talks/johanna_blakley_lessons_from_fashion_s_free_culture?language=en#t-7085

Dunno about the patterns if they're the actual physical patterns that Drew cut...but yeah I think they're in the clear.

I guess you might have a legal standpoint if you claim that Charly was an employee and he used Drew's contacts to start his own business...but I doubt even that would stand. I'm not a lawyer though.

His whole concept was basically buying Grail status stuff from Margiela, Jil, Raf, etc. then using it to make a pattern and selling it at a price people could afford. His patterns aren't original. He had no pattern making or design experience afaik
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All Drew did was rip apart clothes that he liked and bring them to a tailor/pattern maker to draft patterns, based on his preferences (an few cm here and there).

What he's probably bothered about is the fact that his former disgruntled colleagues/partners took the reigns of his established business model and designs and ran it better than he could.

He did tell everybody from the beginning though: Food and steez for the victims.
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Wanted to update this thread.

I've confirmed through other sources that Libertine is indeed shut down, after unsuccessfully trying to find a buyer for about a year. This was Drew's biggest financial asset. He had about a 33% shareholding in the restaurant, which we now know was bought with our money. When he was kicked out, he tried to sell those shares, but couldn't find a buyer.

Shortly after he was kicked out, the other Libertine owners also tried to sell their shares.The idea was, if they sold the restaurant, Drew would get a windfall that we could then go after. After a long period of not finding anyone, the main people eventually left as well -- Justin, David, etc. David hasn't even been in South Korea since the earlier part of this year. I'm told Justin has been out of the day to day operations for a while. Basically the short of it: the restaurant was abandoned, left to be managed by an employee, and is now permanently closed after a long period of losing money.

So Drew's biggest financial asset is now gone and he doesn't have anything. He sold his fancy cars years ago, he doesn't own real estate, he doesn't have much money in the bank, and he currently lives with his girlfriend. The chicken shack restaurant is wisely under Joohee's name (who hasn't responded to my messages, but that's another story). Drew is technically just an employee, even though living with his girlfriend means they share assets. But the point is that Drew is a bum and it's hard to get ~$350,000 or so out of a bum. The only thing he had before was a large shareholding in an expensive restaurant, but that's now gone.

I'm posting this because it would be helpful if someone out there reads this and has info on Drew that I can use. Really, even if it's something small, you never know where it might lead. The info people have provided so far has been really helpful, but I only have sources who reach out to me.

The other thing I'd like to ask: if anyone has correspondence or proof to show that Drew never intended to make jackets, but instead ran the last few months of orders as a way to fund his new restaurant business, please let me know. This could be something we can use to move forward with a criminal case.
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Someone's going to get a restaurant with great parquet flooring and goat leather benches funded by us...

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holy shit thats a crazy story. and to think that charley could have helped us out about a year before it al went down.

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Originally Posted by cellardoors View Post

holy shit thats a crazy story. and to think that charley could have helped us out about a year before it al went down.

From what I can tell, Charly didn't know anything about what was happening. He's located in the US, far from South Korea's operations, and was basically in the dark like the rest of us.

I admit, I have questions about what Dan knew, but I've reached out to him a few times and haven't gotten replies. He worked alongside Drew day-to-day at Libertine. It seems strange to me that he didn't know jackets weren't being made since he was supposedly in charge of production and/ or deliveries, and would have at least talked to Dew about the backlog of orders at some point in that year-and-a-half of waiting.

Drew even used the death of Dan's father to explain why jackets weren't being shipped out. I don't think those jackets ever even existed.
post #54744 of 54803
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

Wanted to update this thread.

I've confirmed through other sources that Libertine is indeed shut down, after unsuccessfully trying to find a buyer for about a year. This was Drew's biggest financial asset. He had about a 33% shareholding in the restaurant, which we now know was bought with our money. When he was kicked out, he tried to sell those shares, but couldn't find a buyer.

Shortly after he was kicked out, the other Libertine owners also tried to sell their shares.The idea was, if they sold the restaurant, Drew would get a windfall that we could then go after. After a long period of not finding anyone, the main people eventually left as well -- Justin, David, etc. David hasn't even been in South Korea since the earlier part of this year. I'm told Justin has been out of the day to day operations for a while. Basically the short of it: the restaurant was abandoned, left to be managed by an employee, and is now permanently closed after a long period of losing money.

So Drew's biggest financial asset is now gone and he doesn't have anything. He sold his fancy cars years ago, he doesn't own real estate, he doesn't have much money in the bank, and he currently lives with his girlfriend. The chicken shack restaurant is wisely under Joohee's name (who hasn't responded to my messages, but that's another story). Drew is technically just an employee, even though living with his girlfriend means they share assets. But the point is that Drew is a bum and it's hard to get ~$350,000 or so out of a bum. The only thing he had before was a large shareholding in an expensive restaurant, but that's now gone.

I'm posting this because it would be helpful if someone out there reads this and has info on Drew that I can use. Really, even if it's something small, you never know where it might lead. The info people have provided so far has been really helpful, but I only have sources who reach out to me.

The other thing I'd like to ask: if anyone has correspondence or proof to show that Drew never intended to make jackets, but instead ran the last few months of orders as a way to fund his new restaurant business, please let me know. This could be something we can use to move forward with a criminal case.

 

Thanks for this update, DWW.  Much appreciated.

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Thank you DWW for the update! 

 

I guess now, we are all in here to hear about the bad karma that will hopefully be making its way to that D.

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@dieworkwear thanks for the update dww. Do you even feel like it's worth pursuing criminal charges? If it's even anything like it is in the US it will take a lot of time and money. You already confirmed he is broke. Smearing his name on the internet would be much easier, cheaper, and less time consuming.

I had already given up hope on seeing my money back over a year ago
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Originally Posted by Timbaland View Post

@dieworkwear thanks for the update dww. Do you even feel like it's worth pursuing criminal charges? If it's even anything like it is in the US it will take a lot of time and money. You already confirmed he is broke. Smearing his name on the internet would be much easier, cheaper, and less time consuming.

I had already given up hope on seeing my money back over a year ago

If someone had proof that he never intended to make or deliver the jackets, I wouldn't have a problem with putting in the work to see if a criminal case could be made. I don't take any pleasure from the idea that Drew could get into legal troubles, but I also really don't like how he's ran away with hundreds of thousands of dollars, with not even an apology to the people in this thread. His only posts in here have been: "stop calling my restaurant you pricks, you don't know what you're messing with," "my life has been difficult," and "things aren't my fault." It really bothers me that he never tried to make things right or even acknowledged what he's done. Maybe we wouldn't have been able to get all of our money back, but Drew didn't even put in the effort.

His name is already smeared on the internet. If you Google Drew Keith, everything about this story comes up.
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We could always trash Sam's Hot Chicken,,,, foo.gif
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Any indication as to why Libertine failed (not just running out of money - did it just suck, did the anti-Drew postings have an effect, etc.)?

Also doesn't make sense that Dan wouldn't have a clue. Even if he had no idea of Drew's intentions, I don't see why he wouldn't pop into SF and say he hasn't seen a jacket in xx months so people might want to hold off on ordering.
post #54750 of 54803

It blows my mind that not one person has had a run in with his bitch ass. does he physically work at that chicken spot? can he be seen? why hasnt his mouth been stomped yet? what id give to get my hands on him. Its just a matter of time..Cant even imagine how he lives with himself. hes a real special kind of "piece of shit." dude should just off himself already.  

 

And fuck, charly and dan. both knew about this shit. both were involved in the operation for a long enough time to have known something was off. or i guess we are just supposed to believe they were both that dumb. neither one of them had a clue as to how things worked..sure. however, they both knew enough to take over the operation and have jackets made in a timely manner? seriously?

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