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@dieworkwear I'm not quite sure I understand what Daniel at Falcon Garments has to do with this. Should we be boycotting them too?

As someone mentioned up thread, Daniel worked with Drew at Libertine. AFAIK, he still works at Libertine, and should know what happened to Drew's shares.

TBH, I don't understand how he could work alongside Drew for ~2 years and not know 1) no jackets were going into production and 2) Drew wasn't getting enough of a return from Libertine in order to produce jackets. I feel like he must have known something was up before us and that we should have been alerted, but there you go ...

Anyway, it would be good to know what happened to Drew's shares. As is, he doesn't have much money or assets, which is the biggest hurdle we're facing. The Libertine guys initially promised to alert me as soon as any changes happened to Drew's shareholdings, but I only heard about a change through the grapevine. And they've refused to answer my emails, StyleForum PMs (those going to Dan), or take my phone calls. Obviously, the longer we wait, the more time Drew has to hide his money (assuming he got a windfall from those shares).
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Doubt libertine will do anything unless you guys start posting bad reviews again
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Originally Posted by thatboyo View Post

Doubt libertine will do anything unless you guys start posting bad reviews again

Yep. So obviously people should start slamming Libertine again and not let up until serious answers are provided.
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Originally Posted by Gruff View Post

Yep. So obviously people should start slamming Libertine again and not let up until serious answers are provided.

And boycotting Falcon until Daniel complies
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

TBH, I don't understand how he could work alongside Drew for ~2 years and not know 1) no jackets were going into production and 2) Drew wasn't getting enough of a return from Libertine in order to produce jackets. I feel like he must have known something was up before us and that we should have been alerted, but there you go ...

Anyway, it would be good to know what happened to Drew's shares. As is, he doesn't have much money or assets, which is the biggest hurdle we're facing. The Libertine guys initially promised to alert me as soon as any changes happened to Drew's shareholdings, but I only heard about a change through the grapevine. And they've refused to answer my emails, StyleForum PMs (those going to Dan), or take my phone calls. Obviously, the longer we wait, the more time Drew has to hide his money (assuming he got a windfall from those shares).



Knowing fraudulent behaviour is going on and not actively trying to stop it, will in most countries make you an accomplish, which makes you equally liable and carries the same punishment. So legally if Dan and Charly were aware something was going on, they are equally guilty as Drew.

Asset seizure in most countries will mean that you will be forced to liquidate all assets and holdings and/or hand them over to creditors, a lot of countries work together now to help multinational seizures, so even if they are in a swiss bank account they are not untouchable.

With Libertine knowing that the money are ill-gotten and they are handing them back to Drew instead of creditors, will essentially make them guilty of money laundering.
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Originally Posted by Find Finn View Post

Knowing fraudulent behaviour is going on and not actively trying to stop it, will in most countries make you an accomplish, which makes you equally liable and carries the same punishment. So legally if Dan and Charly were aware something was going on, they are equally guilty as Drew.

Asset seizure in most countries will mean that you will be forced to liquidate all assets and holdings and/or hand them over to creditors, a lot of countries work together now to help multinational seizures, so even if they are in a swiss bank account they are not untouchable.

With Libertine knowing that the money are ill-gotten and they are handing them back to Drew instead of creditors, will essentially make them guilty of money laundering.

I realize you're trying to help, but a lot of this armchair commentary really just confuses things for people in this thread. Unless you've been talking to lawyers, or have real info, maybe don't speculate?
Edited by dieworkwear - 2/26/16 at 5:39pm
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Wait, what? Daniel is still at Libertine? And has presumably worked with Drew all along at that place??

Edit: or at least presumably has valuable info on Drew and his whereabouts?
Edited by hoodog - 2/26/16 at 11:33pm
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Wait, what? Daniel is still at Libertine? And has presumably worked with Drew all along at that place??

Edit: or at least presumably has valuable info on Drew and his whereabouts?

Yes, Dan worked alongside Drew at Libertine. Back in the summer of 2014, I started suspecting that some of ToJ's money was redirected to Libertine and Drew didn't have money to actually produce jackets. I have to imagine that, if I thought of that in the US, Dan must have known something was up in South Korea. Especially since he could see if the jackets were actually being produced, where the investments were coming from, and whether the restaurant was actually profitable. He must have known that Drew invested over a quarter million dollars into Libertine since everyone there seemed to know that, and I assume he knew that came from ToJ.

Had we been alerted, some people would have been able to file chargebacks. It's OK if he didn't alert us in 2014, but he didn't even alert us ... well, ever.

Don't want to push this into a blame Dan game. I really do hope that the Libertine guys (including and especially Dan) work with us. However, all the stuff they told me earlier -- that they don't know Drew's whereabouts, they don't have his contact info, they don't have any useful info on him -- is harder and harder to believe when they've broken their promise to act in good faith. Just seems like they said that to get people off their backs, and none of these people are actually interested in helping bring justice to this situation.

Not sure how to get the Libertine guys to be more cooperative?
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post


I realize you're trying to help, but a lot of this armchair commentary really just confuses things for people in this thread. Unless you've been talking to lawyers, or have real info, maybe don't speculate?

I have been through a couple fraud cases, so I have spoken to more lawyers than I would like to on this subject. I actually thought about writing it to you in a pm.
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I have been through a couple fraud cases, so I have spoken to more lawyers than I would like to on this subject. I actually thought about writing it to you in a pm.

You're welcome to email me or call me. If you email me, I can give you my phone number (or I can call you, since I think you're international). I think it would be easier for us to communicate that way.

My email address is this Styleforum handle (dieworkwear) at gmail.
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@shinobi13 we're talking about you in here, in case you want to pop in. 

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Looks like it from what I remember of pics Drew posted on here or ig.

I do hope that @shinobi13 can respond to and work with DWW on this matter. I sorta accept Charly's account; he's located stateside so it's easy to be kept out of the loop and he was mainly doing customer sizing (I assume). Never really read or heard anything from Dan, and Dan's location in Korea and connection with the LIbertine crew convinces me that he's privy to what's going on.

I'm done bothering about getting my cash back, I just need some proper closure and I think @shinobi13 you owe us that at the very least. Maybe I'll pay Libertine a visit when I go to korea for vacation. I smoke, I flick my cig something might catch fire idk kidding obv

Anyway, DWW, fully appreciate what you are doing/have done. Unfortunately I can't contribute cos 1. Not in Korea, 2. Completely uneducated and clueless about legislation/law/blahblah. If I ever am in your neck of the woods, I'll drop you a pm and I'll buy you a nice dinner and drinks.
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you shouldve all filed a charge back when i told yall to(like 6months ago, when shit was getting reveiled that he's a scam), theres a credit card policy that allows u to charge back 6 months after promised delivery date.

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Originally Posted by PawnchYoFace View Post

you shouldve all filed a charge back when i told yall to(like 6months ago, when shit was getting reveiled that he's a scam), theres a credit card policy that allows u to charge back 6 months after promised delivery date.

Many of us tried and couldn't because we paid with debit cards or Paypal.
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