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Oh hey look it's people arguing past each other in the TOJ thread again.

post #54092 of 54803
petition signed and received.
post #54093 of 54803
Its like these people haven't even read this damn thread.

How long have we known that Drew's "Refunds" were fake and that he was literally in Ponzi-scheme territory by using money from late investors to get early investors off his back?

And now people are in here trying to say that nobody got tricked?

He probably did this intentionally because it wouldn't reset the fraud-clock on paypal. These spot-swapping fake refunds were done long after orders closed. If he used the TOJ account, took the money from one person, and used it to pay back another, then he would have been open to chargebacks from the new customers when everything fell apart. Now, the new customers would have to be dicks to chargeback on the random dudes they gave money to (and who would paypal even side with? It is not like random dude was expected to send them a jacket), and the old customers are long past their chargeback deadlines.

FWIW, the way real ponzi schemes are handled under US law would not be kind to the the "refunded" customers. It is called "Fraudulent Transfer" and it basically says "even though you got paid out by the scheme, that money was just fraudulently transferred to you from someone else down the line, in order to aid the perpetrator in furtherance of their scheme". People who thought they had safely escaped the Madoff scheme were rudely surprised when clawback lawsuits were filed against them seeking to have their gains returned.
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Yeah... fuck reading comprehension.

Yeah... fuck humor.

post #54095 of 54803
took a long time (have had procrastination issues all my life), but finally contacted both paypal and my bank

paypal csr instantly dismissed my request for a chargeback (made the payment in february of 2014) and said that this is something i have to take up with my bank



so i called my bank up (i bank with wells fargo; my credit card is a visa) and had no problem getting somebody to go ahead and start a dispute, though the csr did say that it's well beyond its usual jurisdiction

just finished up sending an e-mail, in which i explained my personal details and the overall situation in my own words, copied and pasted the timeline (http://www.styleforum.net/t/217855/toj-updates-on-the-debacle-complaints-news-about-other-ventures-whatever/53950_50), provided links to this thread (http://www.styleforum.net/t/217855/toj-updates-on-the-debacle-complaints-news-about-other-ventures-whatever/0_50), the jc tumblr (http://johncoppidge.tumblr.com/), the gallery (http://toj-gallery.com/), and even the public google doc (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_0B0TbD-QDLH8azZydtmfUwnmBSmL5UoLutgSzpexdc/edit?pli=1#gid=0), and provided a screenshot of my paypal transaction and pdf's of the entirety of my e-mail correspondence with the toj gmail account

despite all of this, i can't help but feel like i didn't do enough (i really feel like i forgot something crucial), but i've got my fingers crossed

can't do anything now but wait
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Originally Posted by masshi View Post

(i really feel like i forgot something crucial)

 

Yeah, it's called food.

 

But in all seriousness, I hope your bank gives you your money back. Frankly I think all of these legal pursuits, facebook bombing, newspaper publications, police reports, etc will end up nowhere. Guys who have no skin in the game keep coming in here and poking fun at all the victims, saying they are not doing enough. I think most people have done enough. What is the result of dww's behind-the-scenes investigations? What is the result of all these police reports? People need to get a grip on reality. Let's say Drew is finally caught and brought to justice by the police/jurisdiction/yadda yadda. Does anyone really believe the money is there to either produce the jackets or give everyone refunds? If he goes to jail, I think that would satisfy a lot of people including myself. However I do think that is highly unlikely. I would just move on at this point and consider the funds lost.

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got an e-mail notice that my petition with the korean police thing was processed completely
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got an e-mail notice that my petition with the korean police thing was processed completely


Except it says (in my case) I need to file with the authorities in the US. I bought it in Australia to a guy in SK who probably has a US PayPal.

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Originally Posted by reallypeacedoff View Post


Except it says (in my case) I need to file with the authorities in the US. I bought it in Australia to a guy in SK who probably has a US PayPal.

Same here. Any Australians have any luck with bank chargebacks?
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- We understand that your request is about identifying some facts in Korea(or related to Korean company) regarding a criminal case occurred in United States. - To conduct investigation on the facts, it needs to be requested by your police organization via INTERPOL channel. - In this wise, we recommend you to report the case to your police and the police would request us to investigate the facts in Korea which they need to identify.

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Isn't it time to create a summary for the IRS

Drew is an American citizen and should have been paying tax on all that money (and presumably hasn't)

Would be nice to see him go to a U.S. jail
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is that after you check the petition on the site, or is that mentioned in the e-mail itself?
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Originally Posted by masshi View Post

is that after you check the petition on the site, or is that mentioned in the e-mail itself?


I got the same result.  You have to check the site to see the result.

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Originally Posted by skeen7908 View Post

Isn't it time to create a summary for the IRS

Drew is an American citizen and should have been paying tax on all that money (and presumably hasn't)

Would be nice to see him go to a U.S. jail

So SK going to spend it recourses finding and deporting a small tax fraud case?

Amazing.
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So SK going to spend it recourses finding and deporting a small tax fraud case?

Amazing.


Yeah, never gonna happen but it gives people some fragile faith to send a random letter into the ether..

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