Well, one of the more enticing things about buying second hand TOJ is avoiding the wait.
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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever. - Page 1688post #25306 of 5469812/4/12 at 3:20pmpost #25307 of 5469812/4/12 at 3:38pmpost #25308 of 5469812/4/12 at 3:49pmpost #25309 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:08pmpost #25310 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:10pmpost #25311 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:15pmI've experienced B&S TOJ first hand before buying from TOJ direct and it leaves you with a feeling of wanting just that little bit more. Yes people provide measurements for you on the listings but you don't really quite get the accurate sizing down. You really won't know how the fit will be like until your package arrives. The different materials, the way it was cut, and the drape may not fit you well- all because it was made to spec. for the previous owner. I'm not saying that there aren't success stories from B&S but they are pretty rare. Yes you save a few bucks, but you can never really get it down to the exact measurements that you would like and it really makes you want an extra detail or two that you really wish you had. It is one thing to see the measurements on paper and another to actually experience the thought process behind an extra few inches here and there via e-mails with TOJ. The TOJ process really is that much better to provide your measurements and have Charly "fit" it for you. The service they provide is really something, and definitely worth the wait.post #25312 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:21pmpost #25313 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:32pmpost #25314 of 5469812/4/12 at 4:35pmpost #25315 of 5469812/4/12 at 5:18pmpost #25316 of 5469812/4/12 at 5:36pmQuote:Because online shopping was a total disaster before TOJ came through with an MTM option.Originally Posted by 13k
I've experienced B&S TOJ first hand before buying from TOJ direct and it leaves you with a feeling of wanting just that little bit more. Yes people provide measurements for you on the listings but you don't really quite get the accurate sizing down. You really won't know how the fit will be like until your package arrives. The different materials, the way it was cut, and the drape may not fit you well- all because it was made to spec. for the previous owner. I'm not saying that there aren't success stories from B&S but they are pretty rare.
If you have a general idea of the fit you want, and the length you'll need, there's nothing wrong with buying from B&S. My first jacket was from B&S, and even though it wasn't skintight, it fit/looked good on me. If you usually wear a 46 in everything else, you'll want a 46 in TOJ. Fit disasters only happen when people can't measure their best fitting jacket to compare it to the listing.
edit: my first wasn't skintight.
Edited by omgcookielol - 12/4/12 at 6:21pmpost #25317 of 5469812/4/12 at 6:00pmQuote:Originally Posted by omgcookielol
Because online shopping was a total disaster before TOJ came through with an MTM option.
If you have a general idea of the fit you want, and the length you'll need, there's nothing wrong with buying from B&S. My first jacket was from B&S, and even though it was skintight, it fit/looked good on me. If you usually wear a 46 in everything else, you'll want a 46 in TOJ. Fit disasters only happen when people can't measure their best fitting jacket to compare it to the listing.
Wasn't saying that as a generalization that about online shopping but about toj products on B&S. There definitely isn't anything wrong with B&S either. Most of what you stated is pretty obvious but for first timers on jackets you can't just base off "size 46 chart." Material thickness cannot be underestimated when trying to fit a jacket. Most people who list B&S list measurements of the outside (may not even be that trustworthy) and when you actually get the jacket may fit too tight because you didn't/can't compensate for material thickness. Obviously the risk of it all is there in B&S and when it really comes down to it paying 5-600 for a B&S jacket vs. full price isn't very much difference when you get exactly what you want.post #25318 of 5469812/4/12 at 6:03pmThread Starterpost #25319 of 5469812/4/12 at 6:37pmpost #25320 of 5469812/4/12 at 6:46pmQuote:Originally Posted by Arethusa
Actually, Drew, there are still size charts on the John Coppidge website.
Anyway, I think Drew's really right about sizing. Most people just don't need MTM, and this thread fusses about it way way too much. Suit style width x height is good enough for the vast majority of people.
Most people don't need a $700 leather jacket but it's available and within means.
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