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TOJ - updates on the debacle, complaints, news about other ventures, whatever. - Page 1546post #23176 of 5475610/5/12 at 6:30amThread Starterpost #23177 of 5475610/5/12 at 6:51ampost #23178 of 5475610/5/12 at 10:30amQuote:I wanted to add quilting to the 4zip because I thought it would give it the armor-like vibe that I really liked on one of the discontinued styles (i'm the only person in the thread who still talks about it).Originally Posted by computurd
edit: lol omgcookielol why not just get the regular quilted dr. i reckon its probably the best dr out of the current line up and i am surprised it didnt take off like the mdr did. even the snap at the waist hem really adds to it. also black out zips seem like a bad idea. I dunno about everyone else but I always thought they just made the DR look dull as hell.
I think murdered out only looks somewhat decent on the motos.
I considered the qdr (especially in blue or green, with silver zips) but the 3&4-zips are more my thing in the end. I like the banding, the zips, and the silhouette of the 4zip.
Black zips look great to me. Not on every jacket, but I think AR_Six's murdered out 2010DR is a good example of black hardware done right. That, and Jason Bourne's whiskey DR, are the nicest examples of the 2010 I've ever seen.
Edited by omgcookielol - 10/5/12 at 10:52ampost #23179 of 5475610/5/12 at 11:32ampost #23180 of 5475610/5/12 at 12:10pm
On the topic of washing leathers (from the other thread), has anyone ever chucked a ToJ in the washing machine to try to get that washed look a lot of designer leathers have?
I don't think I'd have the balls to try it but I do like the results.post #23181 of 5475610/5/12 at 12:14pmpost #23182 of 5475610/5/12 at 12:15pmYes, KJ. It has been done. I really like the results.
Quote:Originally Posted by Aeglus
Decided to stick one of my jackets in the washing machine. Fit a little big before on me so I figure it's not like it'll shrink too much for me after this. Soaking wet right now, might be dry in 2 days so here's hoping it turns out well.
Now buy a TOJ
Also, what the fuck happened to my fall weather? 80+ all week.post #23183 of 5475610/5/12 at 12:37pmShould also quote Drew regarding that:Quote:Originally Posted by impolyt_one
also, for the record, I never liked that aeglus fit or the washed-out jacket pics. They don't really convey the image of TOJ leather jackets very well. I purposely make things that aren't the wrinkled and washed distressed leather jackets in the vein of the Japanese mid-market goth ninja stuff, yet people try to take the TOJ and go in that direction. I feel it's missing something when you do that anyway. I say stick with the classical leather jacket look, which is more contemporary anyhow. That wrinkled/washed thing is better left behind in 2008.Quote:Originally Posted by impolyt_one
Agree with you on that last part, there really aren't prescribed outfits or limitations on how to style these things and I encourage people all the more to find new ways to wear the leathers, because they're only ever 1 of three or more pieces in an outfit - it's just that I got a bad 'faux-Julius' thing from that scrunched up wet Moto that aeglus posted. It kinda hurt my feelings because that was the sample, the actual first TOJ leather jacket ever. It's like seeing a vintage 3.0CSL with like, modern BBS RSII's, a new-age single DIN deck, and Sparco seats in it. Just unnecessary and kind of sad.
I'm reading through the thread while waiting for my order. Caught up to page 190 now (100 posts per page, this page is 232). Highly recommended. Eye opening in many ways. Might go through the old thread once I'm caught up with this one.post #23184 of 5475610/5/12 at 12:49pmI figure this is also an important quote for those thinking about throwing their jacket in a washing machineQuote:Originally Posted by impolyt_one
disagree, I preferred that jacket unwashed.
also, aeglus has a tiny, low-powered drum washing machine that is fairly gentle on clothes, most of you guys have much more violent washing machines that'd tear jackets up the way he washes them.
The real way we had washed lamb before was for me to wash 6-10 lamb hides at a time (that's enough for 1-1.5 jackets) and then I'd have to spin the water out, and then hang them to dry. I broke my washing machine 3 times last year and they had to come install new capacitators each time. The tailors then hand ironed each hide out to get rid of the wrinkles, so it was definitely grating on all of us.... but wrinkles were never part of the TOJ lambskin equation. The jackets should be smooth and crease and fall in natural areas, and not look artificially distressed. If you wear an unwashed jacket enough, it'll wear in on it's own, and it'll look great in the process.post #23185 of 5475610/5/12 at 1:17pmThread Starterpost #23186 of 5475610/5/12 at 1:22pmpost #23187 of 5475610/5/12 at 1:23pmThread StarterAlso looking back on it, I must've been obsessed with old 3.0CSL's when I wrote that.
I realized recently that there is a good skill test one can do to see if they would be able to make small-scale clothes the way we do, well - I'd do this to a prospective new TOJ employee for sure, because we are gear heads at TOJ. That is, I'd have someone sit out near the street for like 60 seconds and then have them recount the cars that go by, and describe them by color (color name preferably), make, model, and year(s) based on their appearances (not always the easiest thing to do I realize, but I'm able to do it for just about everything I see on the street) - people who are unable to do that will probably never hold the line on quality perfectly. You gotta have that eyewitness skill to make these clothes...post #23188 of 5475610/5/12 at 1:37pmQuote:Originally Posted by impolyt_one
I'd have someone sit out near the street for like 60 seconds and then have them recount the cars that go by, and describe them by color (color name preferably), make, model, and year(s) based on their appearances (not always the easiest thing to do I realize, but I'm able to do it for just about everything I see on the street) - people who are unable to do that will probably never hold the line on quality perfectly. You gotta have that eyewitness skill to make these clothes...
I do shit like that for fun.post #23189 of 5475610/5/12 at 8:05pmThread Starterpost #23190 of 5475610/5/12 at 8:36pmQuote:Originally Posted by impolyt_one
Yeah like I said, we will start moving things to a website with checkout. We'll alleviate some wait times, let things answer a lot of the questions on their own, and it'll make things easier and honestly add more to the experience, since there's a lot we don't ever even get around to addressing and just hope you notice it on the products on their own. I've let the products speak for themselves the whole time but in doing so, they weren't speaking at all sometimes and the discussion thread gets so deep about small trivial things.
As was said before there might be an MTM option that you can click through and email Charly for, but there will be a surcharge. We really can't afford to sell these jackets MTM at the current price anymore, the price has stayed the same while the supply line continues to skyrocket, it's up like 40% since I started TOJ, maybe more. I also want to continue improving the fabric quality and source from Japan and that will add to the costs as well. In my mind, MTM best represents people who need extra material anyway, so there is a logic to it. I believe the need for the really small sizes (like what equates to 42P) are as important as the extra large sizes (like 54+) but honestly both the demand and sizing are easier to cater to in the small sizes, material footage requirements are like 80% the same... whereas the requirements for the really big guys are more individualized. Once you get that tall some guys are really skinny, some guys aren't, it's mixed. A super large stock size wouldn't fit many and it'd just sit on my virtual racks.
When do you think this is all going to go into effect? I'm interested in getting a MTM jacket before the surcharge is applied.
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