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post #32011 of 53081
For those interested in purchasing a moto.. here are the general guidelines..

When in doubt go with black lambskin..

4-zip > 2-zip

Silver zippers > other

Standard/non-quilted moto > Go with another jacket > quilted moto

That concludes "You and Your Moto 101"
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Does anyone have pictures of jackets in the following colours: dark chocolate, medium brown, chestnut? They are the FQHH swatches but I can't seem to find any pictures on the site

post #32013 of 53081
Originally Posted by jmart154 View Post

Does anyone have pictures of jackets in the following colours: dark chocolate, medium brown, chestnut? They are the FQHH swatches but I can't seem to find any pictures on the site

I don't think any pictures of these colors of FQHH exist because they were added recently enough that people who would have ordered them probably still haven't received their jackets yet.  What you see is probably a pretty accurate representation of the actual color (for example, look at the diesel blue/sherwood suede and compare it to the jackets in those materials, they look pretty dead on).

post #32014 of 53081
Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

these things shouldn't get labeled or pigeonholed tbh, I think that's how less than ideal makeups come to light, and over the top makeups also happen. There is a place and time for all of them; if you aren't sure, feel free to ask me what I think, based on what you're looking for/to do.

I get to see a different side of all of the production than you guys see on Styleforum; there are a lot of jackets that never make it back to the internet for fit pics once shipped, most are the same thing you've seen, but one out of a dozen or two dozen is sometimes something different and it doesn't always get seen again. We see anywhere from a dozen to three or four dozen jackets a week, all each unique in size/makeup, at that point it's very easy to see what is 'good' and then less than good in terms of the toggling of options. This is why I said a 'goat quilted 4-zip Moto' would be too salad bar for my tastes, whereas a dark green double-needle quilt BCDR would be nice - I can visualize it, not sure if everyone else can - here you have two theoretical makeups that have a number of complications from the stock black lamb pics you've seen; the former, I feel, is probably one deviation too much (quilting; goat would be okay, Moto as 4-zip is great as a base, it just doesn't need the quilt) - and then the latter is just right to me, it moves the design further along, is admittedly a little loosened up conceptually, but would provide a great visual mix that isn't off.

Like I said, if the exact image doesn't come straight to you in full, you can ask me what I think. I've seen thousands of these things and know what the colors/materials/material weights are, and can visualize it in my head instantly.
post #32015 of 53081
At the end of the day, you need to go with what you think works well for your body type and your style. Even though Drew is the designer and has an eye for style and knows what combination looks best, that doesn't mean the look will necessarily look good on you given your swag, what's in your closet, and how you dress.

I don't think going either 4 zip or 2 zip will make or break a jacket. Go with what you like and take Drew's recommendations within that context.
post #32016 of 53081
Originally Posted by flahertongs View Post

So...no one cares to comments on how the silver zips age, then?
Unless they're made/coated with some material that isn't affected by the environment, they'll age just like every other silver zipper. The only thing that might differ is the time it takes to get there. Either way, they haven't been around long enough for anyone to tell you anything.
post #32017 of 53081
can someone please post drew's post about body types?
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Dress your body type - Moto and MDR are sometimes good for one build and not the other, and some people are lucky enough to make both work. I think stouter guys should gravitate towards the Moto, and slimmer guys should go to the DRs....
post #32019 of 53081
Damn, Willy. That post sounds a lot like how Nicholas Tesla thinks things out in his head too.

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Originally Posted by Nicholas Tesla 
My method is different. I do not rush into actual work. When I get an idea I start at once building it up in my imagination. I change the construction, make improvements and operate the device in my mind. It is absolutely immaterial to me whether I run my turbine in thought or test it in my shop. I even note if it is out of balance. There is no difference whatever, the results are the same. In this way I am able to rapidly develop and perfect a conception without touching anything. When I have gone so far as to embody in the invention every possible improvement I can think of and see no fault anywhere, I put into concrete form this final product of my brain. Invariably my device works as I conceived that it should, and the experiment comes out exactly as I planned it. In twenty years there has not been a single exception. Why should it be otherwise? Engineering, electrical and mechanical, is positive in results. There is scarcely a subject that cannot be mathematically treated and the effects calculated or the results determined beforehand from the available theoretical and practical data. The carrying out into practice of a crude idea as is being generally done is, I hold, nothing but a waste of energy, money and time.
post #32020 of 53081

There'll be a ToJ leather MA-1 on CNBC sometime later today.

post #32021 of 53081
Can someone familiar with the lambskin tell me if it's similar to the material used by RLPL, Cucinelli, Loro Piana type brands? I'm interested in either the goatskin or lambskin for a jacket. Lamb sounds like the default, but I'd like something less soft and rubbery than what those aforementioned brands use.
post #32022 of 53081
Afaik, the lamb is nothing like ive seen before. Pretty much browse barneys and its mainly sf approved brands and anything as thick as the lamb is calf and not nearly as soft. Anything as soft is really thin and doesnt feel nearly as nice when you run your hand across it
post #32023 of 53081
Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

In other less conflicting thoughts, I saw a Tom Ford harrington-esque leather yesterday selling at Isetan for pretty much $10K on the dot, and it was made from TOJ leather, the black NZ lamb. lol. Workmanship was good, but not better than what I can do. It had some nice striped wool ribbing on it, but shit, a TOJ costs 7% of what this jacket costs, it is truly amazing to think about. The hand and grain was exactly the same on the leather; if I put a few dollars more into little things that aren't really necessary, like tags and interior lining details, my jackets would hit 100% as hard as that TF. crazy.
post #32024 of 53081
Thanks, Willy. Just to be sure, the RLPL/ Tom Ford/ Loro Piana leathers I've handled tend to be very soft, smooth, and slightly rubbery. Is ToJ's the same? I'm actually looking for something less luxe feeling and a bit more robust. Is goat similar to lamb, but just pebbled, or does it have a completely different hand?
post #32025 of 53081
The lamb is very soft and smooth. It's easily nicer and thicker than any of the fashion leathers I've handled or owned (yes, I know sometimes those leathers have been treated). This made me very sad when I considering a Balenciaga from last F/W.

It's a lot thicker than my 5-zip FWIW.
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