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post #40666 of 44309
My jacket had a micro pebblegrain 0_0
post #40667 of 44309

>18 New posts
>oooh maybe drew posted something.

 

 

This disappointment.

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>18 New posts
>oooh maybe drew posted something.

 

 

This disappointment.

 

Eat my butt

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Eat my butt


Nah. Too busy burning rubber.

 

Great day for a spin, wearing the TOJ 0 as well.

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Just wake up from a nightmare the plane carries my jacket crashing in the middle of Pacific ocean. Thanks god it was just a dream.

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Thanks sussi and Kap120. I get that not all like it, luckily it doesn't bother me. For instance I much prefer this to the thinner (and more supple/buttery) black lamb that my GF has on her GF DR jacket. dieworkwear has a point though, those are probably not the finest part of the hide and I get that some would be a bit upset because of it. I wasn't sure if I should even post pics because people here tend to be so dramatic about everything. Anyway, there's been at least omgcookielol's 2010 DR that had also very visible grain, so at least I knew before ordering that it's a possibility that the lamb TOJ uses will end up looking like that. 

 

pics of the 2010 DR I'm talking about: 

http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=13191

http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=13173

post #40672 of 44309

I think the veininess looks amazing on your MA-1.

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Can we get some example pics of grainy vs. veiny? I began to describe the supple arms of my varsities, but found I lack the terminology.

leather (Click to show)
6WZ5Hiv.jpg

EDIT: Here's a huge-ass pic of one of my hot pieces of leather. Veiny? Grainy? I can't tell....

EDIT 2: Not ToJ.
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Edited by noob - 7/12/14 at 9:31am
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Originally Posted by noob View Post

Can we get some example pics of grainy vs. veiny? I began to describe the supple arms of my varsities, but found I lack the terminology.

leather (Click to show)
6WZ5Hiv.jpg

EDIT: Here's a huge-ass pic of one of my hot pieces of leather. Veiny? Grainy? I can't tell....
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"Grainy" was just a term I used at the spur of the moment in that post. It's probably not the right term. I suppose I should just say wrinkly.

To me anyway, veiny are those "just under the surface" lines you sometimes see on ToJ lamb jackets. They don't seem to always be there - so some jackets (at least from photos) seem more veiny than others. The lines on joona's jacket, however, seem different.

I don't want to pose as a leather expert, so I welcome any corrections (esp from the ToJ team, who'd certainly know more about this than I do). But, at least from my understanding, when you get a hide, different parts can be used. On a calf or cowhide, for example, you have something like this:

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

The spine will have the tightest, smoothest, and most uniform grain. As you move away from the center/ spine of the animal, however, you get to things such as the shoulder and belly, which will have a surface that's more veiny, grainy, and wrinkly. I imagine it's harder to get a perfect hide in lamb since a lamb is a smaller animal, although none of my lambskin jackets are wrinkly or veiny in any way. Some are thin, so they're probably just split grain, but some are also pretty thick, like an RLPL I just sold, which was likely not split.

I've seen manufacturers use imperfect hides though, and cut the patterns in a way so that those imperfections are hidden. My cowhide RRL jacket, for example, has slightly less-than-ideal leather on the underside of the sleeve, where no one would see. The leather there is less tight, and a bit more wrinkly.

Joona's jacket, however, seems especially wrinkly (more so than any leather I've seen), and the pattern doesn't seem to have been cut to hide those imperfections at all. One of the most wrinkly parts of the jacket is on the left shoulder, where it's not only highly visible, but also contrasts with the smooth right shoulder.

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Feels to me like a change in leather and quality of cutting, but it'd be nice to hear from the ToJ team. I know people are apt to give them the benefit of the doubt, and I am too given how ToJ has grown out of the Sufu/ Styfo community (rather than come from outside of it). I do think, however, that it would be good to get some clarification. I have two lamb jackets on order, and just want to be clear on what I'm getting.
Edited by dieworkwear - 7/12/14 at 12:23pm
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Grainy... veiny... my mind is in the gutter. -_-
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Received my black lamb cwu45 and am happy to report my leather is a normal toj graininess. So, it appears that may have been an isolated incident, curious as to how that may have happened though. Good to hear that Joona is happy with the result of his leather, I was a little worried when I saw the pics, as that it too much grain for me. I'll post pics later when I'm home.

edit: update crappy pics
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close up of leather:


I'm not sure if this is intentional, but I wish the peak of the arm lined up with the shoulder seem. I don't think my A2 does this, but I don't have it on me to compare. It's causing the shoulder to not sit flat in an otherwise flawless jacket.


Edited by Yoshi - 7/14/14 at 7:46pm
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Did you guys get tracking before receiving the MA-1s?
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Did you guys get tracking before receiving the MA-1s?
Yes, I think I got tracking on Tuesday. My order date was 7/17 I think for people wondering.
post #40679 of 44309
I think the ones you guys are referring to as being veiny or grainy just look like stretch marks like on fat people or people that used to be fat or people that got fat too fast.i think SOME of it on the jacket looks good, gives it personality but too much of it makes it look like it was made from scraps.
Edited by MauriSSio - 7/12/14 at 8:30pm
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from left to right: gunmetal, silver and excella zippers




are the excella zippers smaller than the standard zippers ? (size #8 for the main zip instead of #10)
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