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Originally Posted by Stewbone View Post

Calf on the other hand is a labor of love as it comes out of the box like a homosexual coming out in a family of bodybuilders.


Do........do you have something you want to tell us?
post #39317 of 44243
lol that wasn't homophobic

it was a (funny) analogy that makes reference to calf and lamb being the same (they're both quality materials) even if only the latter is the one that garners the most 'acceptance' (going off of how lamb is usually the go-to recommendation)

if there were any slights being made it was actually against bodybuilders, going off the stereotype that they're super manly meatheads who don't stand for homosexuality despite a lot of the bodybuilding community actually being gay themselves


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I'd also recommend calf since whenever I imagine myself touching a motorcycle jacket (even if only a fashunz jacket) I expect something tough and not floppy (not to make a slight against the lamb or anything)

also like stewbone said the 'journey' of breaking in a calf jacket is really appealing to me
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but I've never handled any toj before so idk take with salt

Edited by masshi - 4/20/14 at 12:52pm
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shouldn't have said anything, my bad. 


Edited by Distorbiant - 4/20/14 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post

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@masshi
  why the fuck are you making recommendations if you've never even handled a TOJ before?
@Stewbone
  have you owned a TOJ lamb jacket?

 
@althanis
 You really have to ask yourself here, "Why am I buying a TOJ?"


Is it the fit of the jackets? The design? Do you just want to be cool like the rest of us dressed-by-the-internet assholes? I've obsessed over this shit more than anyone, so here's my opinion:

The biggest draw of TOJ has been that it combines slim-fitting designs of classic jackets with incredibly high quality materials comparatively to the price point. What is considered the best bang for buck is the NZ lamb. It's luxe, and very pleasant to see, feel, and touch. People will make comments when they see it. At some point, people will attempt to touch you. The lamb will wear in differently. It will become matte in high stress areas like the mid sleeve. 


The calf is tough, but Stewbone is mistaken by comparing the calf to the lamb. The Calf does NOT become as soft or as visually striking as the lamb after heavy wear. It will always be a calf jacket. 

Like I said, you have to ask yourself why you're buying a TOJ.

Do you want to have that one jacket you always go to to wear every single day, rain or shine? Something that will last you while you beat it to death? Get something in calf.

Do you want to have an incredibly soft, striking, visually appealing jacket that feels very comfortable and will impress people wherever you go? Do you want strange women to fondle you? Something you can take care of? Can you keep it away from water? Do you have a wardrobe that doesn't consist of a single jacket? Get lamb.

Horsehide is gone.

Goatskin is heavily textured, crispy, and practically waterproof. 



Other things to consider:

There are quite a few places to get a nice calfskin jacket. TOJ Lamb seems pretty uncommon though.
Lamb gets really wrinkled if you let it get drenched in water enough times. It can shrug off light rain or snow but you can look up fung0rz's dr 2010 to see what happens after a lot of rain.
These leathers have variations. It's not like seasonal designer offerings which have more consistency. Some people have gotten thin lambskin, some have gotten incredibly thick lambskin. With colored leathers there is more shade variation, and I've noticed some come out shinier than others.
These jackets are slim fitting with high armholes. The fit lends itself to the softer lambskin a bit more. 

The black goat is not crispy and I wouldn't call it heavily textured. It's quite soft and has a grain pattern, but it's not pebbled (i.e. the texture is not raised).

Personally based on owning 1 black goat and 2 black lamb jackets (one thick and one thin), I'd recommend the goat. It performs better and is all around more luxurious and expensive feeling than the lamb. I actually think the "luxe" aspect of the lamb is way overrated. It performs well, but it's much harder than the lamb leathers offered by Loro Piana, Cucinelli, RLPL, etc. It's certainly not going to lead to any "fondling" by "strange women" unless they've never stepped foot into a high end department store.
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Originally Posted by Distorbiant View Post


@masshi  why the fuck are you making recommendations if you've never even handled a TOJ before?

 

didn't you make sizing recommendations before when you totally screwed urs up?

 

edit: shitty spelling and grammar


Edited by 5354 - 4/20/14 at 3:19pm
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Ooh, a contrarian view. Personally, having heard so much about TOJ's lamb, I do have somewhat high expectations. I've handled leather garments from RLPL and Rag & Bone (I know, not in the same bracket), and I'm kind of hoping that the TOJ will be at least in the middle, leaning toward RLPL. After all, there is that Tom Ford/TOJ leather story circulated amongst these parts...

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nvm

Edited by Distorbiant - 4/20/14 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by Death24xASecond View Post

Ooh, a contrarian view. Personally, having head so much about TOJ's lamb, I do have somewhat high expectations. I've handled leather garments from RLPL and Rag & Bone (I know, not in the same bracket), and I'm kind of hoping that the TOJ will be at least in the middle, leaning toward RLPL. After all, there is that Tom Ford/TOJ leather story circulated amongst these parts...

I wasn't saying lamb is bad, just that it isn't as luxurious as it's made out to be in this thread. I associate luxury in leather with buttery softness, like what you get from Loro Piana or RLPL, or the countless designer women's handbags made of lambskin (I haven't felt any Tom Ford leathers in person). The TOJ lamb is surely more sturdy and robust than those, but not nearly as impressive at first touch. There's a lot of exaggeration in this thread - so much so that when I got my first lamb jacket (which I still wear and love), I thought I was mistakenly sent calf due to the disconnect with the descriptions here.
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Oh I don't mind either way. I placed my faith in that I didn't put down ~$800 to get something that doesn't feel like it's worth that much--not like I'm expecting magic leather. Still, it's exactly that "buttery" is often used to describe TOJ, and that's what you're refuting, which interests me. Then again, it's also said that the lamb apparently varies quite a bit. We'll see. I ordered a toffee tan lamb MDR and I'm hoping my one and only TOJ piece ends up being lucky.

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I was thinking of picking up an MDR in blue or black lamb but I cant seem to find any pictures of it. Its kind of hard sorting through the 800+ pictures in the gallery. Just wondering if anyone had any pictures handy of what the blue lamb actually looks like. Hard to tell from the tiny swatches post on tumblr.

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oh c'mon man I don't need to have handled one to know that one is tough and one is softer

and only the lamb will become matte in areas of high wear? c'mon dude it's common sense anything with sheen (e.g. the calf) will start to matte in areas of stress as well (unless you've personally handled a calf toj with age and can attest otherwise?)




I think at the end of the day it's just (primarily) a matter of whether you want a sturdier jacket or a soft one

seemed althanis didn't want something he felt he had to take super good care of, so calf seems like the better choice
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Originally Posted by Nik Telford View Post

I was thinking of picking up an MDR in blue or black lamb but I cant seem to find any pictures of it. Its kind of hard sorting through the 800+ pictures in the gallery. Just wondering if anyone had any pictures handy of what the blue lamb actually looks like. Hard to tell from the tiny swatches post on tumblr.

http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=14524

just search "blue lamb site:toj-gallery.com" on google

latter part restricts searches to just the gallery
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Originally Posted by masshi View Post


http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=14524

just search "blue lamb site:toj-gallery.com" on google

latter part restricts searches to just the gallery

Awesome! Thanks.

post #39329 of 44243
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Originally Posted by Nik Telford View Post
 

I was thinking of picking up an MDR in blue or black lamb but I cant seem to find any pictures of it. Its kind of hard sorting through the 800+ pictures in the gallery. Just wondering if anyone had any pictures handy of what the blue lamb actually looks like. Hard to tell from the tiny swatches post on tumblr.

 

Canuckbassist

pdinh

VLSI

drizzy

 

 

search these names + Navy TOJ on google
 

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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

Personally based on owning 1 black goat and 2 black lamb jackets (one thick and one thin), I'd recommend the goat. It performs better and is all around more luxurious and expensive feeling than the lamb. I actually think the "luxe" aspect of the lamb is way overrated. It performs well, but it's much harder than the lamb leathers offered by Loro Piana, Cucinelli, RLPL, etc. It's certainly not going to lead to any "fondling" by "strange women" unless they've never stepped foot into a high end department store.
Based on owning 6 jackets with TOJ lamb leather, I can tell you that you can't make such broad statements from owning just two. Echoing what has already been said about natural variatons in leather, I've had 6 jackets ranging from dry/firm to EXTREMELY buttery soft... As if you were LITERALLY touching the surface of butter. I've also had the strange chick experience. Just because you didn't have a similar experience doesn't mean people were exaggerating or that anything's being overstated.
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